Premature reinstatement of auto demolition

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Originally Posted by Penthea

For me this game is not frivolous. I met my boyfriend in this game and we have been together for over four years. I have met some of my closest friends in this game. This game changed my life. Yes one day the game will be gone, but isn't that the case with everything? Nothing lasts forever.
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But it was those real life relationships you created with people you met that really changed your life and not the digital "property" you acquired in the game, correct?

Things in a game are just that - things - and they can be replaced if lost. Not necessarily quickly or with little effort but they can be replaced. Getting too attached to a thing, whether physical or digital, is not healthy.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But it was those real life relationships you created with people you met that really changed your life and not the digital "property" you acquired in the game, correct?

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If I didn't play the game I probably would not have met them at all. The only person in my circle of friends in the game that I would have met anyway is an irl friend I knew since long before I played. I'm from the Republic of Ireland which shares a border with only a small portion of the UK. Anything else our border touches is water. Everyone dear I met in the game live in a place that would require a plane ticket for me to visit. Some of these people don't even live in Europe. The likelihood of meeting them anyway outside of the game is microscopically small given my disability very often prevents me from leaving my own home, never mind travel a lot. I wouldn't have met them all in another game because FFXIV is the only online game we all play. Certainly I wouldn't have met my boyfriend at all because the only overlap in online gaming we have is FFXIV.

Because my disability keeps me at home so much, even without a pandemic, gaming is the only real outlet I have to express myself and meet people. I can't do many of the other things I love very often because my body just says "no". This isn't easy to deal with, but gaming makes it more manageable by allowing me to still engage in something enjoyable without my disability constantly getting in the way. I started playing FFXIV during a very dark period in my life and for quite some time it was the only thing that kept me from breaking down. Sure someone could criticise this and call it escapism, and say I should have dealt with my problems instead of game, but my disability has no cure and at the time doctors were struggling to figure out what it was so the treatment I was getting just wasn't working. My problems were beyond my power to tackle.

So no it's not just the people who changed my life, the game did. I understand not everyone has the same experiences and that's fine. But for me FFXIV isn't just a bunch of pixels. It's the reason why I didn't fall into a spiral of despair, and the reason why I met so many people I treasure.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Things in a game are just that - things - and they can be replaced if lost. Not necessarily quickly or with little effort but they can be replaced. Getting too attached to a thing, whether physical or digital, is not healthy.

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Sentimental value is a thing and if you don't extend it to a digital plane that's fine. That's how you live your life. But it's not how everyone else does.

Also not everything is replaceable. I own some items that were crafted by family members who died before I was born. The only photograph of my paternal grandmother and I is in my possession and if it got lost it cannot be replaced because she died a long time ago. I would be devastated if I lost those things.

As for FFXIV, yes a person can maybe get another house. But is it the same house? No. I don't value my digital house as much as the above items, but I still care about it a great deal.

And as someone else said having some normalcy after or during a horrible chapter in your life can really help people to cope, and for some people part of it are the things they acquired in a game.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

In my opinion, having a sense of normalcy after so much has hypothetically changed is just as important in the process of moving past a horrible event. The little things matter. I'm speaking from experience, though not exactly related to housing in a video game. But the same logic applies.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

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You're still not understanding the point I am trying to make. The game in general allowed you to make those real life connections, which gives the game some importance as a social medium.

But the individual things in the game? They weren't important to the process.

As for the things not being replaceable in real life (which I won't argue against, real life isn't built like a game), why do those things such value? Because of the memories they trigger. Even if the item is gone, those memories remain with you. It is still that people connection that is what was really important.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

But the individual things in the game? They weren't important to the process.

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Uhh...you actually don't know this at all given you don't know my entire history with the game. A lot of good memories happened because of specific things in the game, including my house. I'm far from the only person who can say this.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

As for the things not being replaceable in real life (which I won't argue against, real life isn't built like a game), why do those things such value? Because of the memories they trigger. Even if the item is gone, those memories remain with you. It is still that people connection that is what was really important.

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I don't actually have much of a connection to the dead family members who crafted those trinkets because I never met them. For my whole life they have been people in old sepia photos with some stories to go with them. However the things they made are truly beautiful, and I very much appreciate the talent and craftsmanship that they display. Because I never knew them those items are the only real connection I have to them. And these things they created tell me far more about them than an old photo ever could. If were to lose them I would lose the only meaningful connection I have to these people.

As for the photo of my grandmother, yes it does trigger memories and they are more important than the photo. But it's the only way I can see her face again. Memories can fade with time but as long as I have the photo the image of her face never will.

You and I clearly have very different life experiences and have a very different outlook on what matters. I think we will just have to agree to disagree. Neither of us are wrong. We're just different people.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

Uhh...you actually don't know this at all given you don't know my entire history with the game. A lot of good memories happened because of specific things in the game, including my house. I'm far from the only person who can say this.



I don't actually have much of a connection to the dead family members who crafted those trinkets because I never met them. For my whole life they have been people in old sepia photos with some stories to go with them. However the things they made are truly beautiful, and I very much appreciate the talent and craftsmanship that they display. Because I never knew them those items are the only real connection I have to them. And these things they created tell me far more about them than an old photo ever could. If were to lose them I would lose the only meaningful connection I have to these people.

As for the photo of my grandmother, yes it does trigger memories and they are more important than the photo. But it's the only way I can see her face again. Memories can fade with time but as long as I have the photo the image of her face never will.

You and I clearly have very different life experiences and have a very different outlook on what matters. I think we will just have to agree to disagree. Neither of us are wrong. We're just different people.

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This is a video game, apologies, but really?

I think real life issues > anything related to game, game items is dead items and can be gotten back over time for a dead currency that only work in the game... if game start to overshadow real life and what is in real life of important events, then may need to reconsider some things before keeping moving on.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

This is a video game, apologies, but really?

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Maybe read the previous post and perhaps the tiniest part of you will understand why I don't consider this game to be merely pixels.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I think real life issues > anything related to game, game items is dead items and can be gotten back over time for a dead currency that only work in the game... if game start to overshadow real life and what is in real life of important events, then may need to reconsider some things before keeping moving on.

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Well this just proves you didn't read much of what I posted given I never said "game > real life" at any point. I was only explaining how digital things can be important to someone. And then explaining that not everything is replaceable whether it's digital or not.

And this is all I will say on this particular matter because anything else would just be repetition.

I would just like people to show more compassion to those who lost something that is difficult to replace through no fault of their own. That situation sucks no matter what you lost. I find some people's attitudes towards those who lost their house during the pandemic to be awful.

Again I emphasise that I'm against a rollback. I think the only way to fix this situation is to have a proper housing system that excludes and punishes no one. Which likely won't happen -_-

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

This is a video game, apologies, but really?

I think real life issues > anything related to game, game items is dead items and can be gotten back over time for a dead currency that only work in the game... if game start to overshadow real life and what is in real life of important events, then may need to reconsider some things before keeping moving on.

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It's entirely possible to form an emotional attachment to a game. Or anything, really. I have my own reasons for having them with this one, and there are certain objects in real life that evoke good as well as painful memories. Sure, real life takes precedence over any game, and this one is no exception...but you are missing the point entirely. That is probably because you just don't understand. It might take having certain experiences for that to happen though.

How about we just get more houses instead?

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

How about we just get more houses instead?

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Already said in other discussion that it is physically impossible for supply to meet demand

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

Already said in other discussion that it is physically impossible for supply to meet demand

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And yet it clearly had a positive effect on the housing community. In the absence of other solutions by SE to the ongoing problem (which seems to never ever be likely at this point) they may as well add even more houses.

Hey, enough bandaids can even stop arterial bleeding. Maybe...