Lamia NN: Repeated Harassments by One Player

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Originally Posted by Verthande

2. Sprout A and sprout B were having a discussion about a topic and sprout A said something about the Trans Community and sprout C admitted that they were Trans and would appreciate them not speaking for them as what they were saying didn't represent their views and experience. Sprout A went OFF on sprout C and was claiming that C was just trying to start drama so C posted a picture of their hormone meds. A outright said to C that they still didn't believe them and that they were "just claiming to be trans to start s___." At this point, myself and several other sprouts were speaking up in defense of C and asking for any mentor (many of which had just mysteriously gone silent even though they were talking just minutes before) to do something about sprout A. I was one of the people that was speaking up and asking for A to stop...a mentor kicked me for "drama and nuisance behavior." No one else got kicked...sprout A didn't get kicked. 30 minutes later, I came back and was immediately kicked without a word for "starts drama and past nuisance behavior." 30 minutes later...kicked again immediately upon entering NN and without a word from anyone. THE NEXT DAY my FC leader pulls me aside and said that people have messaged them about me starting drama in the NN and it looks bad for the FC. I explained to them the situation and even offered to show them the screenshots...nope...I was told that I either have to stop starting and participating in drama in the NN or I had to leave the FC. This event caused my S/O to basically quit the game in literal tears and I have to BEG them to play with me and they only do maybe once or twice a month and never for longer than an hour.

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In response to the alleged transphobia claim against me by the original poster, this was not me, and never have I done this, what it is, and will always be is a straw man that has been set up to garner additional hate. And even though a player did clearly drive someone off the game by exhibiting transphobia, this person described as 'Sprout A' was protected rather than penalized because of favoritism and bias against 'Sprout C'.

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Originally Posted by UncannyThreat

In response to the alleged transphobia claim against me by the original poster, this was not me, and never have I done this, what it is, and will always be is a straw man that has been set up to garner additional hate. And even though a player did clearly drive someone off the game by exhibiting transphobia, this person described as 'Sprout A' was protected rather than penalized because of favoritism and bias against 'Sprout C'.

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I will also state clearly that my second example, as seen in the above quote, was not the original player in question from the OP's post. The person in my example was basically given carte blanche to do and say whatever they'd wanted about whomever they'd wanted for weeks on end and if anyone even question it or ask the mentors to do anything about it then we were usually met with a threat of getting kicked for starting drama. The person in my example, again not the person in question by the OP, was definitely not the only one in what I'd described at the time as both a 'clique' and a 'virtual lynch mob.' Anyone who they even perceived as someone who wouldn't immediately fall in line was a target which is how I ended up being a target. I defended one of the people they didn't like from transphobic attacks...I was then a target.

No conjecture; I don't know their motives. I'm just stating what happened.

I'm not saying the OP is telling the truth or lying and I won't because I wasn't here between the beginning of Stormblood until April of this year. I can say, however, that I've not personally witnessed the original person in question be transphobic in my anecdotal experience. I have witnessed them do several things that deserve a kick from the NN to help diffuse tensions from time to time...but never anything outright ban-worthy in my, again anecdotal, experience.

Out of absolute sheer curiosity does his name rhyme with “Dank Dan?” All of those traits sounds familiar as a Lamia native

Never heard of her, huh? Lets run a quick comparison
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/39510202/ Your current character on the lodestone who is notably similar to:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...acter/6172300/ Your old banned main, same FC.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/32567267/ The other character you're pretty well known for using. Same FC.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/33466161/ Another one I remember
Very strange coincidences

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Originally Posted by ZombifiedRob

Never heard of her, huh? Lets run a quick comparison
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/39510202/ Your current character on the lodestone who is notably similar to:
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...acter/6172300/ Your old banned main, same FC.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/32567267/ The other character you're pretty well known for using. Same FC.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/33466161/ Another one I remember
Very strange coincidences

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Yes, thats correct.

I walk away for a month and this crap explodes. WTF guys.

Our NN is still a cesspool. Last night was a shitty example of mentor after mentor kicking each other for 'abusing power' when the first kick to HT was justified. I'm extremely disappointed in what we've become and the attention we give this shitty person and the chaos we allow because of their words and actions. By doing this you are giving him EXACTLY what he wants. I know a lot of you don't like each other but put your biases aside and just do what you're supposed to do in these situations.

Warn once. Do not elaborate. This person knows what we mean when we tell them to stop their behaivor. No matter how much they beg and ask you to engage with them. Don't.
If they persist, kick and for 30 minutes, kick every alt that comes back and tries to re-engage in the behaivior.

This is what we're allowed to do. This is what I've confirmed several times over the past year with several GMs.
We are not allowed to kick on sight without them speaking in NN first and causing issues on the first character they do so with.

This is not rocket science. This is being a decent mentor. It's not hard.

For those of you that say that HT isn't at fault or that the bias is stacked against him
It's not.

I literally talked to him last month on Discord. He is just like this. He's not dumb. He's an extremist and he knows what he's doing. Ya'll are playing into his game.

The second I stopped believing him in anything was when he bullied a trans sprout that was excited and admitted they came out to their parents in NN chat. HT literally said to them that no one cares and that they were not allowed to talk about being trans in NN chat in addition to some other things I can't repeat here. This is when he was more bold and more blunt in his execution. If you think that's forgiveable, fine, good for you. But that sprout didn't deserve that and for that reason I will continue to be critical in every, little thing he does, as insignificant as you all believe it to be.

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Originally Posted by JuliusRath

The second I stopped believing him in anything was when he bullied a trans sprout that was excited and admitted they came out to their parents in NN chat. HT literally said to them that no one cares and that they were not allowed to talk about being trans in NN chat in addition to some other things I can't repeat here. This is when he was more bold and more blunt in his execution. If you think that's forgiveable, fine, good for you. But that sprout didn't deserve that and for that reason I will continue to be critical in every, little thing he does, as insignificant as you all believe it to be.

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This is not factual, I challenge you to provide screenshots of the interaction. The basis of my commentary on the situation is that POLITICS are not allowed in the Novice Network. Critical Gender Theory being strictly a political issue. When told that it was not, I cited several court cases which proved that it was in fact a political issue. As much as you would like to create manufactured outrage over a scenario that you have clearly over embellished in your own fan fiction of the incident, it doesn't mean that it is the truth. If I was able to say more than you are able to say here, why wasn't I banned for it during the occasion? You will be critical in every little thing that I do because you have personal bias against me and that personal bias is driving this entire thread.

So, we have the problem maker from the Lamia NN right here in the forum, trying to make trouble here?

At least form folk are used to trolling and know how to handle it.

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Originally Posted by UncannyThreat

This is not factual, I challenge you to provide screenshots of the interaction. The basis of my commentary on the situation is that POLITICS are not allowed in the Novice Network. Critical Gender Theory being strictly a political issue. When told that it was not, I cited several court cases which proved that it was in fact a political issue. As much as you would like to create manufactured outrage over a scenario that you have clearly over embellished in your own fan fiction of the incident, it doesn't mean that it is the truth. If I was able to say more than you are able to say here, why wasn't I banned for it during the occasion? You will be critical in every little thing that I do because you have personal bias against me and that personal bias is driving this entire thread.

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Now where have I headed this statement before, among a outrage among the lgbt NN players that night. Was a while ago but log in to NN in lamia any night and you can clearly see a instigator among the common banter, a break in the peace. Always there always present with a different name to evade banning.

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Originally Posted by JuliusRath

Warn once. Do not elaborate.

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The problem is that there ARE a bunch of mentors out there that are essentially grooming sprouts against this player, toxic or not, and are not equal or fair with their ministrations.

There's at least two mentors, right now, that have alts that they boosted to get mentor specifically to log in and kick them on sight without a word when they're just being calm, having normal conversations, and sometimes even helping sprites.

Just the other night, someone was claiming something that was objectively false in NN and I was correcting them and a bunch of mentors jumped all over ME for "baiting" just because they know I don't immediately jump all over this other player. One of them even warns me to stop or get kicked. I drop it, having already corrected the record, but was discussing, in a linkshell, the issue in regards to treating all other players equally and also that correcting something that was factually incorrect wasn't baiting...and I mis-telled into NN about something and IMMEDIATELY said, 'MT,' after it and they dogpiled all over me and said that it was sad that I was still hung up on that issue.

They continued to bring it up for the next 15 minutes but, when I tried to respond that I clearly said it was a MT, I was not only dogpiled and insulted more by those mentors (and their pet sprouts) but also warned to stop again.

And on the topic of those pet sprouts...there's a bunch of them, now, that get away with WAY worse than I've seen the original player in question do and when *I* warn them...I get insulted blatantly by them and the mentors that are protecting them and, when I outright kicked one of them, once, for blatantly crossing the line (AND I kicked the player in question because they were going back and forth with each other) I was kicked for 'abuse of power.'

These mentors, now, are literally kicking and labeling their reasons as, "bad player," or, "you know by now," and who is that helping? I knew someone, years ago, that got a 2 week suspension because they kicked someone with a reason of, "you know what you did," but, now, we have a bunch of people who are basically at that same point.

They want to kick this person, fine...I'll likely kick them again in future when they actually cross the line...but do it fairly and be a good mentor. They can't put a blanket statement down like, "no politics," and then spend 45 minutes talking about how communism is amazing and calling each other 'comrade' then kick HT when he chimes in and asks them to stop with the political talk.

We have to hold EVERYONE to the same standard and THAT is clearly not happening, right now.

Honestly, I just want an actual world chat with bot moderation and have them take away mentor kicking ability entirely...and then just leave the NN to the actual mentors who want to actually help and not just have a crown and a chat room. That would basically fix everything.