PLD IS NOT BROKEN

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

your forgetting that pld does not live up to the ultimate tank concept that SE told us about.

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Personally I think, if you only factor in durability and hate, that PLD is great as a tank. The lower HP is made up by some very potent self preservation skills. The issue is that the party DPS suffers significantly with a PLD in party vs a WAR, especially when you have a lot of adds that need to be dealt with. Increasing the duration and/or proc. rate and/or potency of the defence down debuff would go a long ways towards making PLD more desirable for single target content by upping the dps of the rest of the party, but still doesn't address the speed difference whne there are multiple adds to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Deathgiver

Personally I think, if you only factor in durability and hate, that PLD is great as a tank. The lower HP is made up by some very potent self preservation skills. The issue is that the party DPS suffers significantly with a PLD in party vs a WAR, especially when you have a lot of adds that need to be dealt with. Increasing the duration and/or proc. rate and/or potency of the defence down debuff would go a long ways towards making PLD more desirable for single target content by upping the dps of the rest of the party, but still doesn't address the speed difference whne there are multiple adds to deal with.

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i dont know why pld doesn't have a stance option guard/attack. low dps in guard mode with a focus on blocking.

i don't know what the hell this PLD, thing is but its not a paladin. the same could be said about WAR/DRG/BRD
in all FF titles Warrior is a use it all class that has average tanking abillity's. Dragoon is an over juiced lancer just because it can jump and wear the DRG AF doesn't mean it is. the DEV team was on some powerfull hallucinogenics when they made the BRD, probably listing to disco as well.

they didn't give us our classic jobs, they gave us a rundown mess. and we sucked it up because it looks like what it most certainly is not.

Seriously GLA/PLD can tank but MRD/WAR is so much better there's little point.

You typed this, oh god:

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

Once we face a boss in wich we simply can not zerg in 10 minutes or less and are forced to actually sit through a 30 minute or longer boss fight,

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Double up or quit
Double stake or split
It's the ace of spades
The ace of spades

LOLS!! please do not talk to me about comparisons between war and pld, i have been doing comparisons since the jobs came out. and it basicly breaks down to this :

WAR = offensive tank, deals massive damage and is capable of minor HP conservation and slightly higher HP regeneration.

PLD = Deffensive tank, allthough it dose very little damage, It can generate ample hate through simple vokes, combos, and aoe buffs/heals. Capable of deflecting a much larger percentage of damage then its WAR counterpart as well as puting out more reliable and constant heals it is a much safer tank. When operated to its full potential , PLD can reduce the amount of healers needed in a party in order to allow for DPS focused jobs.

overall, WAR adds speed where saftey isnt a concern, and PLD add saftey where survival is a concern. that and WAR dose have better crowd controll making it optimal for tanking adds (like in the princess fight, or skeles on batrall) or possable PL situations. Both tanks have their perks and down sides, but when it comes to overall survivability (wich in my opinion is #1 on the list of shit tanks should be able to do) PLD is undoubtly the best tank in the game. If you are dieing before a WAR , get out of the AF gear add some def and vit. if you have already done this , learn to use your abilities wiser. PLD is capable of deflecting 100% of any type of damage taken, keeping MP moderatly full and HP moderatly full. Ofcourse you will never deflect 100% of the damage, but if your abilities are used correctly and not just spamed when ever you get the opertunity to button mash it, then PLD take FAR less damage then war. Not sure why this fact is even up for debate.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

PLD is undoubtly the best tank in the game.

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Please clarify on how you can back up this statement? Not saying that one is better then the other just want an input on why you think this! =) Didn't see anything about how or what they need to do to be considered the best tank, so far I just read from what you have told us is that "People just needs to know how to use PLD correctly"

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

i dont know why pld doesn't have a stance option guard/attack. low dps in guard mode with a focus on blocking.

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There actually was such a feature, but then SE was all like
"Hey this actually makes sense. REMOVE IT!"

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Originally Posted by Gao

Not trolling or anything but the opinion of the minority is more reliable <___<? I need an explanation here, I'm a bit slow on concepts like this! O_O

Oh nvm I got something <_<
How I see it is, Minority isn't any more or less reliable than the majority.

P.S Give people facts and they go "Ape shi*" with their class =/

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Sorry i didnt put this correctly.

What i meant to say was the opinion of the majority isn't relliable because it is the opinion of the majority..

The Majority often makes mistakes too. and really huge ones. just look back in history.

To the peeps sayin PLD is my favorite class but i am playing WAR for this and that reason well....
Jut play PLD :)

"The only possitive thing about tanking on WAR is helping with the DPS a lil'"

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i don't know what the hell this PLD, thing is but its not a paladin. the same could be said about WAR/DRG/BRD
in all FF titles Warrior is a use it all class that has average tanking abillity's. Dragoon is an over juiced lancer just because it can jump and wear the DRG AF doesn't mean it is. the DEV team was on some powerfull hallucinogenics when they made the BRD, probably listing to disco as well.

they didn't give us our classic jobs, they gave us a rundown mess. and we sucked it up because it looks like what it most certainly is not.

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Correction, they didn't blatantly copy/paste the jobs from other titles and put their own spin on them. Something that has happened before in FF. I'm glad they didn't just pull them directly from FF titles, FFXIV needs some things to differentiate itself.

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Originally Posted by Aceofspades

PLD IS BROKEN

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^Fixed that for you buddy.

Also... This is coming from a PLD that stacks triple meld DEF on his shield and body lmao. Common sense called, DEF sucks for boss fights. I'm betting you eat DEF food too, if you use food at all lol, and also, magic defense... ??? Really ???

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

I disagree and you're dumb

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^I hate to say it but this pretty much says it all. You should talk less Ace... Much less...

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Correction, they didn't blatantly copy/paste the jobs from other titles and put their own spin on them. Something that has happened before in FF. I'm glad they didn't just pull them directly from FF titles, FFXIV needs some things to differentiate itself.

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I can get behind that, the fact that they have to adhere to stigmas only limits job creativity and development on their part. I think that's the major reason they purposely introduced new classes as the main jobs in the initial implementation of FFXIV in order to try and break away from those old standardized stigmas, that and jobs and classes don't always carry over from the console into MMO's well making it even harder to try and develop the jobs for.