Can I have option to toggle off the Ninja run and Machinist's heated shots?

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

The thing is, there's already precedent for this within this game, back in stormblood players had the options to toggle the gaussbarrel model and animations on their character off, same with the ability to toggle bahamut sizes and carbuncle on smn, and theres plenty of games ive played which has cosmetic animations (not fighting games like your example because their animations are an important balance point). The point about switching job, whilst to an extent true, it sucks to have an aspect of something you like get completely overwritten by a trait, when if it was untraited nothing would change from a gameplay perspective

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The Bahamunt thing was a gameplay change because it was messing up with people's view. Thats understandable. The ninja run does nothing for anything and asking animationors to do more work for something that doesn't matter is silly to me. I rather they stay the same and work on things that can hurt actual gameplay. Plus ( and this is me not trying to be rude at all. I guess I'm just stuck in my ways ) But the animations he's talking changing why? People like to say " But it means nothing if I got a switch to only change on my end." Why does the change need to happen at all? It just looks needy to ask for that. I get content like dungeons, raids, glamour or anything that helps gameplay. But this isn't doing any of that. It just feels selfish. " I don't like this animation you worked hard on.. change it because I am me."

But I know not everyone will have my views. I was just saying I don't support THIS question. No harm or ill will. I just don't.

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Originally Posted by Controller

The Bahamunt thing was a gameplay change because it was messing up with people's view. Thats understandable. The ninja run does nothing for anything and asking animationors to do more work for something that doesn't matter is silly to me. I rather they stay the same and work on things that can hurt actual gameplay. Plus ( and this is me not trying to be rude at all. I guess I'm just stuck in my ways ) But the animations he's talking changing why? People like to say " But it means nothing if I got a switch to only change on my end." Why does the change need to happen at all? It just looks needy to ask for that. I get content like dungeons, raids, glamour or anything that helps gameplay. But this isn't doing any of that. It just feels selfish. " I don't like this animation you worked hard on.. change it because I am me."

But I know not everyone will have my views. I was just saying I don't support THIS question. No harm or ill will. I just don't.

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However, being able to toggle you egi's into carbuncles is not a gameplay change, it is purely cosmetic like the OP asked for. Also its not asking animators to do any more work, we are asking for access to animations that are already in the game, the rogue animations and the unheated mch animations. Its not asking for any work from animators, its asking for the ability to use something that is already in the game because some people prefer it. Is it selfish when players asked for egi glams because they prefered carbuncle? Or asked for the ability to toggle gauss barrel because they preffered the look without it?

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

However, being able to toggle you egi's into carbuncles is not a gameplay change, it is purely cosmetic like the OP asked for. Also its not asking animators to do any more work, we are asking for access to animations that are already in the game, the rogue animations. Its not asking for any work from animators, its asking for the ability to use something that is already in the game because some people prefer it. Is it selfish when players asked for egi glams because they prefered carbuncle? Or asked for the ability to toggle gauss barrel because they preffered the look without it?

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How do we know it won't be asking the animators to do more work? Coding is a bitch - Went to school for game design- And as far as I know it's not just a copy and paste. And even so, I just can't get behind changing the ninja run. I just can't. I don't see the point. I don't know about the mch one you're mentioning cause as far as I know you can't change anything about them now. And yes... I think it is selfish. He's not asking to change them for anyone else but himself. He's not saying " This ninja run needs to be changed because the ninjas commuity says so and we all agree" He's asking it to be changed for selfish reasons. Not a BAD reason but it is selfish.

I don't think they'll honor this anyway. And if they do they do. I don't agree with it and never will but it is what it is. Tho to be fair.... people are STILL asking for Egi changes even with the ones people got. So while I see your point, that's still abit different then changing an entire job's run animation. But that's just how I feel about it. you can ask for whatever you want. Just don't expect everyone to agree. I don't. Thats all. :c

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Originally Posted by Controller

How do we know it won't be asking the animators to do more work? Coding is a bitch - Went to school for game design- And as far as I know it's not just a copy and paste. And even so, I just can't get behind changing the ninja run. I just can't. I don't see the point. I don't know about the mch one you're mentioning cause as far as I know you can't change anything about them now. And yes... I think it is selfish. He's not asking to change them for anyone else but himself. He's not saying " This ninja run needs to be changed because the ninjas commuity says so and we all agree" He's asking it to be changed for selfish reasons. Not a BAD reason but it is selfish.

I don't think they'll honor this anyway. And if they do they do. I don't agree with it and never will but it is what it is. Tho to be fair.... people are STILL asking for Egi changes even with the ones people got. So while I see your point, that's still abit different then changing an entire job's run animation. But that's just how I feel about it. you can ask for whatever you want. Just don't expect everyone to agree. I don't. Thats all. :c

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"Changing an entire job's run animation" is an unqualified statement as if that means more than changing a summoners summons, you're providing a lot of gravitas and importance to something that literally can change depending on which race you play, and has aspects of it changed in updates in the past. In the coding is a bitch case it wouldnt be the animators, and given they can can create these toggles the psudocode for something like that would likely be similar to the current toggles that exists for egi-glams or other such toggles. By this logic you shooting down ops request is also selfish because it is just what you want, the point of forums is to make requests and gauge interest, as someone who's been around the forums and the game for over 5 years, I can say i have seen this requested many times, so it is not simply a demand coming from a single person, also in the case of suggestions like this, even if it is just one dude requesting it, it is literally only a net positive objectively, you can subjectively have whatever reasons you like for not wanting it, but your reasoning thus far has just been "i dun wan it"

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

"Changing an entire job's run animation" is an unqualified statement as if that means more than changing a summoners summons, you're providing a lot of gravitas and importance to something that literally can change depending on which race you play, and has aspects of it changed in updates in the past. In the coding is a bitch case it wouldnt be the animators, and given they can can create these toggles the psudocode for something like that would likely be similar to the current toggles that exists for egi-glams or other such toggles. By this logic you shooting down ops request is also selfish because it is just what you want, the point of forums is to make requests and gauge interest, as someone who's been around the forums and the game for over 5 years, I can say i have seen this requested many times, so it is not simply a demand coming from a single person, also in the case of suggestions like this, even if it is just one dude requesting it, it is literally only a net positive objectively, you can subjectively have whatever reasons you like for not wanting it, but your reasoning thus far has just been "i dun wan it"

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I mean.. I said I don't want it. I said that in my first post. I've been honest about that. Yes I don't support THIS question. I just don't. I mean... I don't know what you want me to say. do you want me to just agree with him because of -options-? I generally want to know.

If you want reasons I provided that. I feel it's silly but if they really hate those animations then I beleive they should just play another class instead of asking SE to change it. Now we can debate if my answer is fair all day but at the end of the day for whatever reason.. yeah I don't want them to change it.. like at all. But hey if they do it's whatever. Like you said.. it's a forum. And while he's allowed to ask for things I'm allowed to disagree with things if I disagree with them. No matter what the reason is. And yes.. Me and him are asking for selfish things. I don't call it selfish as an insult... I'm being selfish and so is he.

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Originally Posted by Controller

I mean.. I said I don't want it. I said that in my first post. I've been honest about that. Yes I don't support THIS question. I just don't. I mean... I don't know what you want me to say. do you want me to just agree with him because of -options-? I generally want to know.

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I was just interested in dissecting your thought process, when there's no downside to aggreeing with someone or just leaving it, I'm very keen to know why somone would actively disagree, you can leave it at just "I don't want it" and thats fine, but drilling down to a reason with a good amount of justification would be what I was after with this. Each to their own and all that but again, if theres no downside for something, and theres precedent for similar things happening in the past, Im interested as to why someone would actively say no to that thing beyond just a subjective "nah". You also continually misrepresented OPs argument and weren't correct in other points you made, he's not asking for animations to be "changed" per sey, just more options, you also mentioned stuff like "don't think there' sa game that even does this" when it literally happens in ffxiv, and mentioning how OPs request would put more work on the animators when it does nothing of the such which is why i replied continually to respond to these points.

Just put your weapon away while running.
It's safer anyway.

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Originally Posted by Gula

Have you seen male au ra run??

They need a break.

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And the way they stand? oof

Let heels be undone.

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

I was just interested in dissecting your thought process, when there's no downside to aggreeing with someone or just leaving it, I'm very keen to know why somone would actively disagree, you can leave it at just "I don't want it" and thats fine, but drilling down to a reason with a good amount of justification would be what I was after with this. Each to their own and all that but again, if theres no downside for something, and theres precedent for similar things happening in the past, Im interested as to why someone would actively say no to that thing beyond just a subjective "nah". You also continually misrepresented OPs argument and weren't correct in other points you made, he's not asking for animations to be "changed" per sey, just more options, you also mentioned stuff like "don't think there' sa game that even does this" when it literally happens in ffxiv, and mentioning how OPs request would put more work on the animators when it does nothing of the such which is why i replied continually to respond to these points.

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That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.

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Originally Posted by Controller

That last part is not proven. Do you know how they would change it? I don't think it's as easy as you think it is. I don't know tho but you ALSO don't know. So thats why I said that. Changing what the Egi's do is not going to be the same as changing an animation. I promise you it's different. Now how hard or easy it is really not for us to debate because niether of us are working in SE. But it gets tiring to hear. " They should just do this.. it's easy" When 9 times out of 10 it's not that easy. People just say that because it's the " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" way of thinking. That's all I'm saying. Now if it is easy then whatever.. but I'm not putting money on that.

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And he is asking for animations to be changed. It's literally what he said in his post. He wants the ninja animation changed. Doesn't matter if he only wants it on his screen.. it's still a change.

Crap I messed up comment chain and qouted myself. But I agree to disagree.