About Chemists and their potential use for FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

We do need one more Healer to balance out the jobs, right now only Healer and Physical Ranged DPS needs one more to balance out as 4 types of Job within that role since all the other Role Types have 4 jobs currently (unless people don't really count Blue Mage).

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I really wouldn't count blue mage. It's side content, not a normal job. It may wear casting gear and be classified as a DOW dps, but its status as a limited job means that for all content other than blue mage exclusive content, it's not able to come along.

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Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru

There's a few options be it, classic or not like Mascot although honestly dancer should have been a healer due to it being a support/medic with no range abilitys at all in the past games if it was a mele fighter id get why it wasn't but meha but honestly I could name a long list of possible healers if I brought up the page to rememeber them all.

I mean damn you could make make time mage a healer(bleach style) or ff5's necromancer,Oracle maybe

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Dancer is a job I feel works in either roll. I think it would have been fine as a healer, but think it works fine as a ranged dps too with the current implementation.

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

I don't think they'd go with a Chemist job when there's already an Alchemist class in the game without some sort of really good explanation as to why an Alchemist can't just be a Chemist and vice versa.

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No need, you just need the most basic of explanations: a chemist and an alchemist are not the same thing. At all.

A chemist is a physician, a medicus, a doctor. Their purpose is to treat the ill and wounded. An alchemist is someone who studies a sort of mix of science and philosophy, with a purpose of trying to find the secrets of the universe, including but not limited to finding the cure to everything, even death.

This is only confusing to some people because "alchemist" contains the word "chemist" in it. In japanese the names of the jobs aren't even remotely close. Alchemist is Renkinjutsushi, while Chemist is Kusurishi, which is just a way of saying "Doctor" or "Pharmacist." I'm pretty sure there would be no confusion at all to the Japanese players.

EDIT: Actually I guess it's also confusing because job names are all over the place. FFX-2 has the "Alchemist" job that functions like Chemist; in Japanese that job is literally just called "Item shooter." And we have FFT with a job called Chemist, which in Japanese was called "Item User."

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

A chemist is a physician, a medicus, a doctor. Their purpose is to treat the ill and wounded. An alchemist is someone who studies a sort of mix of science and philosophy, with a purpose of trying to find the secrets of the universe, including but not limited to finding the cure to everything, even death.

This is only confusing to some people because "alchemist" contains the word "chemist" in it.

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That's not a good analogy. A Chemist is a synonym for a Pharmacist in English. In the UK, local pharmacies are even called chemists. A chemist is a term that also encompasses anyone involved in the research and study of chemistry, for example, professors within university chemistry departments. The etymology of chemist is the same as alchemist so it is not enough to say that it's just confusion over containing the same string of letters. Historically, most scientific disciplines were highly saturated in religion and esotericism before the age of the scientific method came about and the transition from alchemy to chemistry is no different. I would also be willing to bet that the reason the job is called a Chemist instead of Alchemist in past FF games is that it's a shorter version of the word to be able to fit into 8 bit string limits. This is supported by the job actually being called Alchemist in X-2 with all of the same iconic Chemist abilities like Mix and Stash. Having them be 2 separate jobs in XIV would need some reason behind it beyond "ones a doctor and ones a pharmacist".

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

That's not a good analogy. A Chemist is a synonym for a Pharmacist in English. In the UK, local pharmacies are even called chemists. A chemist is a term that also encompasses anyone involved in the research and study of chemistry, for example, professors within university chemistry departments. The etymology of chemist is the same as alchemist so it is not enough to say that it's just confusion over containing the same string of letters. Historically, most scientific disciplines were highly saturated in religion and esotericism before the age of the scientific method came about and the transition from alchemy to chemistry is no different. I would also be willing to bet that the reason the job is called a Chemist instead of Alchemist in past FF games is that it's a shorter version of the word to be able to fit into 8 bit string limits. This is supported by the job actually being called Alchemist in X-2 with all of the same iconic Chemist abilities like Mix and Stash. Having them be 2 separate jobs in XIV would need some reason behind it beyond "ones a doctor and ones a pharmacist".

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Except that it isn't called anything close to Alchemist in FFV, the game the job originated from. These jobs originated in a Japanese game, all the English names are just localization choices. And every iteration of Chemist after the FFV job has had a completely different name, not to mention that the FFT job isn't even the same job.

You also seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote, because no, one isn't a doctor and the other a pharmacist. Alchemist is neither.

If you want examples of what a renkinjutsushi job would look like (which is what FF14's Alchemist is), take a look at some of the games like Final Fantasy Explorers and The 4 Heroes of Light. Those are Alchemist jobs. The FFV job, Chemist, is not.