Should I ditch my Mch for SAM or a caster?

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Originally Posted by zonol

I don't get why people cant just answer questions straight forward and always come up with play what you like lol obviously he cant play what he wants because he dis likes the result of the class that he likes. If that's the case why did Summoners quit playing summoner until they fixed it? Play what you like? Please I am sure they like summoner/ ninja but people stopped playing their classes until it was fixed or buff. Dont be hypocrites.

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Mate. Where is it obvious that he /can’t/ play the job he loves? He asked if he should or not. To say “yes, he should” is giving a straight answer and the overwhelming response has been MCH is not in so bad of a place that it is not worth playing.

Using your dress analogy is more accurately presented as: “I really love this dress and want to wear it, it’s my favourite, but I heard it might be impractical. Should I wear this instead?” It turns out the dress is practical and she is worrying over nothing. What you are saying is that no instead of going for the dress she wants, this other dress makes more sense. And then those who say her dress is fine aren’t giving her a straight answer.


Absolutely, if she still decides that for whatever reason that she’s not going to wear that dress you can suggest others, but to tell her to wear a different one when it’s fine is not good advice.

But all in all the question was should he give up his favourite job for better performing ones? And there really is no reason why he can’t keep playing it if that’s what he loves.

We're really far from the day where the gap of the dps was so insanely high that playing a certain job was a hindrance. At 75% perf BLM is barely 500dps above MCH on Titan. You really need to go at really high perf to see a meaningful gap and at this point you don't care because you obliterate the boss. Group always need at least 2 range, and most people don't go with 3range1melee so ranged will always be welcomed.

Raid buff such as tactician are also extremely important in harder content, especially when you can't debuff the boss. And if you're not interested by hard content, then you have no reason to be concerned by the gap of dps between a BLM and a MCH since all content is rather trivial below EX trial. (no enrage timer)

Just play your favorite job

And tbh, usually the one caring the most about meta are the casual. I know very little good raider who actually pro-actively care about meta. All the player I've known who have cleared all savage content and, to some extent did some Ultimate progression, do not care one bit about meta, most don't even know what the meta currently is or what is above what. (most of them stopped because they couldn't play enough to get through these fight in a timely manner, not because it was too hard, just it would reqeuire too long to progress through it with the few hours/week they have at their disposal). Like, one group has a Samurai and once we talked how samurai wasn't doing enough, she agreed, everyone agreed that sam were too weak. But no one ever even considered asking her to switch job. They were just like "wathever it'll die eventually, play what you like"

On the other hand, I know a discord of a bunch of new and, actually rather bad player (they never psased E2S, they struggled on Titania or Innocence, even with full 460 stuff), and they're all about meta. Like their leader, a PLD who can't even maintain his DOT on, once told me he'd never take a RDM or DNC cuz they do no dps.

To me it feels more like bad player live by the meta to compensate wathever skill they're lacking.

If you enjoy MCH, play MCH, and if you want to get into serious raiding, learn to play MCH properly, you'll always find a group. Good players value good players, not the job. (beside fitting the group role requirement)

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Originally Posted by zonol

Yeah what I read was you telling him a whole story about metas etc. I'm not about to reply anymore to you comments. Just give him a answer. Or dont write at all lol. Its like if you had a girl and she ask which dress should she wear? She tells you she likes them both but cant decide. Will you say wear what you like? Lol I'm done. Go caster bro.

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You can sound as bitter about the state of ranged dps as you want, nobody worth raiding with outside of world first teams (MAYBE) is going to demand you to switch jobs just to make the cut. The answer has consistently been "play what you want, there's no good reason to ditch a job you are most experienced with just to play flavor of the moment." You don't have to like that answer, but don't pretend it isn't one.

This game is not designed to require specific party compositions to clear any content beyond "competent and motivated players" in every role. Stop pretending otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Sylvain

We're really far from the day where the gap of the dps was so insanely high that playing a certain job was a hindrance. At 75% perf BLM is barely 500dps above MCH on Titan. You really need to go at really high perf to see a meaningful gap and at this point you don't care because you obliterate the boss. Group always need at least 2 range, and most people don't go with 3range1melee so ranged will always be welcomed.

Raid buff such as tactician are also extremely important in harder content, especially when you can't debuff the boss. And if you're not interested by hard content, then you have no reason to be concerned by the gap of dps between a BLM and a MCH since all content is rather trivial below EX trial. (no enrage timer)

Just play your favorite job

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It's a hang up that can get quite annoying because it's quite, well, unnecessary. META arguably is only important for those who are pushing for that extra efficiency, which world first groups might want and how many, honestly, can say they're at the level? When it's a teeny weeny percentage of the population that are. And they might be less bothered about the job choice but more in achieving their goal. And to base standards around such a small group wouldn't be smart.

Sure it may mean say, your MCH has to be better comparably to your SMN to hit the high numbers, but I'm of the mind people who enjoy their job will do better at playing it that picking the job with the highest achievable DPS because it has the highest achievable DPS, because it's easier to get fully invested in what you're doing when you're enjoying it. That said, job choice can affect how easy you find certain content and your set up can impact how smoothly things run, but in my mind, that's on the assumption all players in question are of a competence where that too makes a difference.

When you're making your own static, I expect you're more likely to recruit based on player ability and probably value job choice less. Taking for example how my friend's Alexander ultimate & Savage raid group recruit, they take potential new members into the content to see how well they they do before they decide to recruit them or not.

Then with DF and PF, it's just a roulette. Meta means absolutely nothing in DF and PF. In which case you hope people know what they're doing. You can mitigate the problem somewhat with what you put in the DF, but not on levels where job choice makes a difference.

Personally I like MCH, asking if you should change job is asking someone else whether you should wear boxers or briefs? They can't tell you what you should do in the end, if you are comfortable and happy, then stick, if not then change? So many objective questions looking for answers that no one else can answer for you.

Unless you raid, and even then Meta Jobs aren’t taken anally. I suggest play what’s fun not some job you don’t like because it has “hIgH dPs”

Remember anyone can out dps a corpse

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Originally Posted by Renryuu

Heya, so just wondering, with everyone talking about how low dps the Phys ranged jobs are, is it worth still being one or should I just give up on my beloved Mch and go SAM or a caster instead?

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Whether or not phys ranged are weak doesn't even matter at all because every phys ranged is balanced against every other phys ranged very well. Casters are actually worse off in terms of balance especially Red Mage who can't compete at all with summoner. Every party still takes a phys ranged and it really doesn't matter which one.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Whether or not phys ranged are weak doesn't even matter at all because every phys ranged is balanced against every other phys ranged very well. Casters are actually worse off in terms of balance especially Red Mage who can't compete at all with summoner. Every party still takes a phys ranged and it really doesn't matter which one.

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thats actually only a half truth, if you exclude idol of darkness, which is the one outlier due to the add phase, which while obviously indeed something that exists is also pretty irrelevant in the grand scheme of things (you don't balance around 5% parses, and even with a 50% group the extra dps bard and summoner offer on the adds is just unnecessary and not nearly worth what actual damage on the boss offers to the group) than redmage is about as much behind smn than bard is to mch, with the small difference that redmage actually does have something worthwhile compared to summoner in the form of chain rezz and a targeted heal (a very weak one, but it can cover the tank for a few potentially very usefull seconds depending on situation), whereas bard utility support is so pitifully weak+situational its not nearly worth what the ability to chain rezz can be.

also the whole "physical ranged only need to be balanced against each other" either requires the same to go for casters, or for their to be class numbers that actually support a default of 2 melee/1 caster/1 phys, something the game originally had when it was designed but which it currently absolutely does not have. as it stands double caster are in fact perfectly viable, as are double melee, and class distribution wise this also makes more sense than a fixed 2/1/1 meta. only double physical are clearly weaker and less usefull than the alternitives which puts them by default in a worse spot than the other classes. either we need 2 more melee classes before anything else to balance out a clearly defined 2/1/1 melee meta or casters need to be brought down to be obviously inferior to double melee. as long as both double melee and double caster are perfectly viable the argument that one only needs one physical ranged and thats obviously fine is discriminating at best.