blue mage and NG+

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Originally Posted by LauraAdalena

While that is a logical conclusion to make, you have to keep in mind you needed a group to get any of the primal spells or some of the later dungeon spells making that a moot point. However, here's the problem I have with your statement: While obviously the emphasis is on "only" the sentence "but it's not designed only for solo play, and it's not suited for parties due to limitations." Then why even say "not suited for parties" if it's not designed "only" for solo play?

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I think it's the other way around. If it's designed only for solo play, then there would be no reason to say it's not suited for parties as that would be a given.

Basically, that slide emphasizes the two features of BLU: (1) There are more things to do solo with BLU, and while there are also things to do in a party, (2) it's not suited for regular party activities due to limitations. Both have to be stated because BLU can do both solo and party activities, but a little differently than other jobs.

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Originally Posted by linay

I think it's the other way around. If it's designed only for solo play, then there would be no reason to say it's not suited for parties as that would be a given.

Basically, that slide emphasizes the two features of BLU: (1) There are more things to do solo with BLU, and while there are also things to do in a party, (2) it's not suited for regular party activities due to limitations. Both have to be stated because BLU can do both solo and party activities, but a little differently than other jobs.

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However, this is where my later part of that comment comes into play. Why lean one way toward being unbalanced solo-focused and limiting the party things it can do, then immediately not give it enough power to beat level 50 duties solo or at least not as easily as it could with a 70/80 class helping, or even more content so that way players can really feel like it was worth the trade-off, and on top of that make the skills it has tons of things immune to them? Why make it balanced for parties, but then not give it max level, not allow it to use DF, not allow it to NG+, and give it skills that then also just undermine the balance they tried to keep?

It goes both ways and I wish it would choose one. Give us a reason to get all the skills and more content to do outside of the Masked Carnivale. Hey, maybe like even some optional Blue-Only dungeons or something I'd be fine with at this point to at least make it feel they have a direction they have chosen. If you don't want to do that, rebalance it toward party play and make it a normal job. I'm fine with either personally.

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Originally Posted by LauraAdalena

Nah nah nah nah. That was when they announced how the skills were going to be learned. Don't walk into a discussion with "maybes" and "perhapses" if you don't know the whole context. That slide was a part of the second fan fest, when the first they had announced the class the second they dove deep into exactly what it would be. Including how they'd learn skills, what to expect from it, why they chose this, and the first tease of The Masked Carnivale. While you did a commendable effort trying to rationalize without the context, you can also easily look up the Fan Fest to get this footage since they streamed them on twitch this time and, from my recollection please correct me if I'm wrong, left the vod up for all to see.

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Yeah, the vod is still up, I can confirm this firsthand having actually gone back to watch both the reveal and the live letter that happened the next day where they clarified what a limited job was and why it had to be the way it was, just recently. The self same live letter Yoshi-P spent a solid 5 minutes, with that slide up on screen, talking about how being in a group with a BLU that kills Omega in one hit with Level 5 Death wouldn't be fun, but it also wouldn't be fun for the BLU player to have Level 5 Death and not have it be able to one shot a raid boss like Omega, and that because of this it had to be a solo, limited job.

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Originally Posted by Archangelus

Yeah, the vod is still up, I can confirm this firsthand having actually gone back to watch both the reveal and the live letter that happened the next day where they clarified what a limited job was and why it had to be the way it was, just recently. The self same live letter Yoshi-P spent a solid 5 minutes, with that slide up on screen, talking about how being in a group with a BLU that kills Omega in one hit with Level 5 Death wouldn't be fun, but it also wouldn't be fun for the BLU player to have Level 5 Death and not have it be able to one shot a raid boss like Omega, and that because of this it had to be a solo, limited job.

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Yet bosses are immune to broken blue mage stuff so that was just lies being tossed around by Yoshi-p to try and justify it.

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Originally Posted by Rita1989

Yet bosses are immune to broken blue mage stuff so that was just lies being tossed around by Yoshi-p to try and justify it.

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Which is why I'm upset about the whole not being solo enough because they literally fixed the exact problem they brought up after saying they wouldn't do that and let you do that shit to bosses. When really the only bosses you can do that to are bosses in the Masked Carnivale and it doesn't always work on that one afaik.

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Originally Posted by LauraAdalena

However, this is where my later part of that comment comes into play. Why lean one way toward being unbalanced solo-focused and limiting the party things it can do, then immediately not give it enough power to beat level 50 duties solo or at least not as easily as it could with a 70/80 class helping, or even more content so that way players can really feel like it was worth the trade-off, and on top of that make the skills it has tons of things immune to them? Why make it balanced for parties, but then not give it max level, not allow it to use DF, not allow it to NG+, and give it skills that then also just undermine the balance they tried to keep?

It goes both ways and I wish it would choose one. Give us a reason to get all the skills and more content to do outside of the Masked Carnivale. Hey, maybe like even some optional Blue-Only dungeons or something I'd be fine with at this point to at least make it feel they have a direction they have chosen. If you don't want to do that, rebalance it toward party play and make it a normal job. I'm fine with either personally.

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That, I have no guess for as it depends on how ultimately they want to develop BLU specifically or limited job in general.

I hope that the "No MSQ with Blue Mage" thing is addressed, because it feels silly. Maybe part of the issue is that Blue Mage doesn't have abilities tied to levels, so they're worried you might be able to do something like break a solo duty you're supposed to lose or wait for reinforcements on? Could also explain why it's not allowed in PotD.