Shadowbringers Relic: Overworld as "Eureka"

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

After having done all three kind of Relic weapon grinds I'm of a different kind: don't bring back this utterly unfair grind back that was the ARR/HW relic grind. Eureka might be monotonous and a bit boring, but at least everyone could do that without either having a high-end crafter or spending millions of gil.

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ARR was certainly rough, although I can appreciate why, as an attempt to sorta reward every aspect of content you could get into. And honestly it's still a bit of a ballache today. But, I can't really recall any step of HW that required millions of gil, or high level crafting. From what I can tell/remember, the only such step has been completely mitigated by offering those items from Grand companies. There's still some long grindy steps, but none of it is really gated behind non-combat content.

I have nothing else to add to this discussion. Except, it seems like relic grinds are always going to be a point of complaints. I'm not sure it's even possible to make them in a way that pleases any/everyone, while also still being challenging/rewarding (or, at the very least, time consuming).

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

They have said that they want to try and do something that's a 'happy medium'.
I can't help but feel that the only way to do this, would be to have some instanced area like Eureka, but have access to it, or to progression within it, linked to openworld content like FATEs.
Perhaps access requires bicoloured gemstones, or rank 2 gemstone items or something.
This additional gatekeeping would then warrant a partial nerf in grinding intensity within the instanced area.

If they did this, then the next 'Baldesian Arsenal' could be gated behind the initial mechanic of gemstones or something, instead of all that faff of spawning certain FATEs in Eureka and activating portals.

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Ah I didn't know that was what they are tying for. I hope it works out.

The are really only 2 things I'd like to see *not* return for relics
1. An instanced zone in which you do everything. I personally like to be able to do 2 or 3 things at once.
2. Tied to crafting/desynth items. The early part of ARR relic was ok, but when it came to the tail end of the quest line with desynth was annoying and honestly i still haven't cleared it.

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Originally Posted by Amnmaat

It's probably too late to suggest this now but what do you all think of the devs using the overworld as "Eureka?" These amazing locations deserve more action.

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I support this idea wholeheartedly. I could see them using Tempest as a starter point since it has a certain blacksmith located there. In fact, I'm almost 100% positive he will have a role to play in the relic for sure.

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Originally Posted by lydiah

I support this idea wholeheartedly. I could see them using Tempest as a starter point since it has a certain blacksmith located there. In fact, I'm almost 100% positive he will have a role to play in the relic for sure.

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Come to think of it, it doesn't make any sense for him to be there simply to give us our one time only AF gear.

I can see us gathering various materials via FATEs and hunts across Norvrandt to provide him with what he needs to upgrade our weapons, then us testing them out in some kind of instanced area for subsequent stages. Maybe.
If they're Amaurotian themed, then an 'enchanted' instance of some kind could be in the table, perhaps showing what parts of the world were like for them before the apocalypse.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Come to think of it, it doesn't make any sense for him to be there simply to give us our one time only AF gear.

I can see us gathering various materials via FATEs and hunts across Norvrandt to provide him with what he needs to upgrade our weapons, then us testing them out in some kind of instanced area for subsequent stages. Maybe.
If they're Amaurotian themed, then an 'enchanted' instance of some kind could be in the table, perhaps showing what parts of the world were like for them before the apocalypse.

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I agree with the certain-blacksmith being there in the final area we'll have something in the overworld. Or, it will be a mix of Norvandt and Eureka and the NPC to travel will be there as well.

A N Y T H I N G but Eureka. Anything but not this nightmare again. Please, for the sake of my sanity. NO MORE EUREKA EVER AGAIN.

I love this expac, I really love it. Don't make me hate it and hate myself with this trash-tier, brainnumbing exeprimental bullsh*t.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

I agree with the certain-blacksmith being there in the final area we'll have something in the overworld. Or, it will be a mix of Norvandt and Eureka and the NPC to travel will be there as well.

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It is interesting to see him there but not surprising especially with his own building and forge. I simply hope we get something newish but at the very least with a combination of overworld content. I'm not going to be interested if we get another rehash of the ARR/HW relic chases.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

ARR was certainly rough, although I can appreciate why, as an attempt to sorta reward every aspect of content you could get into. And honestly it's still a bit of a ballache today. But, I can't really recall any step of HW that required millions of gil, or high level crafting. From what I can tell/remember, the only such step has been completely mitigated by offering those items from Grand companies. There's still some long grindy steps, but none of it is really gated behind non-combat content.

I have nothing else to add to this discussion. Except, it seems like relic grinds are always going to be a point of complaints. I'm not sure it's even possible to make them in a way that pleases any/everyone, while also still being challenging/rewarding (or, at the very least, time consuming).

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Yeah, the gil heavy part was only with the initial patch. I feel like the dev team learned their lesson by putting those worthless items in the Grand Company shops.

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Originally Posted by lydiah

I support this idea wholeheartedly. I could see them using Tempest as a starter point since it has a certain blacksmith located there. In fact, I'm almost 100% positive he will have a role to play in the relic for sure.

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I would actually prefer they create new zones, instead of just using what we currently have. This way they can use them in MSQ, add more stronger monsters that makes our gear useful for them, more places to explore etc

Don't think I'd mind it, tbh.

This game has a lot of beautiful and huge zones that go largely underutilized once they serve their respective purpose for MSQ and a few other things. Would prefer those zones to be used. I always saw Eureka as some sort of damned quarantine zone.