Forgiven Venery & Forgiven Obscenity Glam

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

That isn't confirmed one way or another, merely assumed. There's more details that would tell you she's not the Au Ra than there is to says that she is.

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When you're applying Dream Dust to the citizen's after Vauthry flies the coup, you find the elderly gentleman mumbling about where hsi Canary has gone. There's a lot of clues pointing to her very sad outcome, and the fact that we have to fight a sineater that resembles her, and has attacks dealing with vocal cues and music is a little on the nose.

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Originally Posted by Uielyave

When you're applying Dream Dust to the citizen's after Vauthry flies the coup, you find the elderly gentleman mumbling about where hsi Canary has gone. There's a lot of clues pointing to her very sad outcome, and the fact that we have to fight a sineater that resembles her, and has attacks dealing with vocal cues and music is a little on the nose.

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The Sineater more resembles a Mystel with their facial markings than it would an Au Ra, if we're going by the information that some eaters retain a semblance of their original appearance or something signifying their character. It's name, as with all eaters, implies a nature related to their original form and there's nothing "Obscene", also the "Consort of Sin" eludes to something else. Her level of Power and station being next to Vauthry tells a story of her existing for a long time, and very much his favorite, right next to the lion. I wouldn't make any sense for that to be some insignificant free citizen. The much likelier conclusion is that she ended up an eater, who was then likely made into meol. Which honestly is a lot more painful to consider.

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Originally Posted by Lewtskie

The Sineater more resembles a Mystel with their facial markings than it would an Au Ra, if we're going by the information that some eaters retain a semblance of their original appearance or something signifying their character. It's name, as with all eaters, implies a nature related to their original form and there's nothing "Obscene", also the "Consort of Sin" eludes to something else. Her level of Power and station being next to Vauthry tells a story of her existing for a long time, and very much his favorite, right next to the lion. I wouldn't make any sense for that to be some insignificant free citizen. The much likelier conclusion is that she ended up an eater, who was then likely made into meol. Which honestly is a lot more painful to consider.

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She was a servant in a relationship with a full citizen, something that was against Eulmore's societal norms. That's the obscenity that was forgiven.

Also, while she has facial markings, her face shape and the fact that the feathers on her head look like certain Au Ra horns, I definitely think she could have been a Drang.

Obscenity:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fehFuTgqVwc/maxresdefault.jpg

Only picture I could find of the Warbler:

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...ng_Warbler.png

I would definitely say there's a resemblance. The facial markings also could be from her scales.

We don't have the succubus from Haukke either. Yet it could make sense for some kind of RP. :rolleyes:

What? I don't do any RP? That's a detail :p

Without considering "weird" RP, what we miss is bare foot and some kind of gothic body top and something like a ghost dress. Long dress is a possibity but they are usually represented as tight and will be a problem in FF because of clipping. As an alternative, we can imagine some kind of short dress like fairies in fantasy usually wear.

Think about the fairy, Tinkerbell, in Peter Pan, that's somehow something like that.

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Originally Posted by Averax

But they don't wear any clothes

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Where's the downside, tho?

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Originally Posted by Daralii

She was a servant in a relationship with a full citizen, something that was against Eulmore's societal norms. That's the obscenity that was forgiven.

Also, while she has facial markings, her face shape and the fact that the feathers on her head look like certain Au Ra horns, I definitely think she could have been a Drang.

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You're gonna have to give me some detail that hinted they were in a relationship, because there is nothing in the quest dialogue that remotely suggests they were in a fling with each other. The man considered her a pet, if anything. He as much calls her such in one of the cutscenes. As for the girl, she's a bonded citizen pampered and cared for as a songbird, so of course she'll feel infatuated with him as a pet would its master. It's a bit twisted.

And if we're pushing for a 1:1 face here or anything close, the faces are very different. From eyes, lips, even chin.

I don't really see that much resemblance. It 'could' be her but I don't think it's pretty ambiguous.

I'm not seeing it either. The tattoos are different, different chin, aside from a similar hairstyle.

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Originally Posted by Uielyave

She was the Au Ra girl who couldn't sing for her elderly master anymore. She was crying in the lower part of Eulmore and sent you out to find medicine. However, when you couldn't get her any to help her, her master, who called her his "Canary", wanted her to become "Ascended", I.e. Turned in to a Sineater.
When you fight her as Forgiven Obscenity, all of her attacks are Vocal and Song based... Meaning She is the poor Au Ra who only wanted to sing for her master.

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I know the theory, and it doesn't really hold up. As mentioned, the stripes on her face are exactly as that of a Mystel, and time-wise it simply doesn't add up. The window between last speaking to the warbler and hearing blue haired whatshisname scream as Vaultry tells him to cut his arm off is way too small for her to get ascended.
Also, if you run mt Gulg with trusts, Minifilia will note how Obscenity has almost as much light/power as a light warden before fighting her (There is also her boss title in the German version which states her as being Vautry's consort, but that doesn't have to say much, since it's just 'sin eater' in the Japanese one)

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Originally Posted by swiss_Momo

I know the theory, and it doesn't really hold up. As mentioned, the stripes on her face are exactly as that of a Mystel, and time-wise it simply doesn't add up. The window between last speaking to the warbler and hearing blue haired whatshisname scream as Vaultry tells him to cut his arm off is way too small for her to get ascended.
Also, if you run mt Gulg with trusts, Minifilia will note how Obscenity has almost as much light/power as a light warden before fighting her (There is also her boss title in the German version which states her as being Vautry's consort, but that doesn't have to say much, since it's just 'sin eater' in the Japanese one)

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Tesleen turned in a matter of minutes, and someone like absolute dominion like Vauthry/Innocence should be able to turn someone and rein them in faster than a kuribu.