What have you done?

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Originally Posted by NealSnow

I can't say DRK feels at all like any of what you described... I'm enjoying every second of it. Sounds like a personal issue :)

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This is the first time I've ever wished there was a dislike button on this forum.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

This is the first time I've ever wished there was a dislike button on this forum.

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Aww, how thoughtful. I wish you could as well! Tis a shame you cannot. Must be so frustrating that other people aren't on the "omg tanks dead tanks ruined" train... cause if tanks were indeed unpopular we'd have tank in need in DF now wouldn't we~ ;3

Hate or disagree with me, your salt gives me joy regardless.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

100% Untrue. What is up with all of the DRK white-knighting? Honestly if you believe there is nothing wrong with DRK right now then I'm truthfully worried about your judgment skills.

If you do not know what you are talking about, then please just keep out of the discussion.

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Is drk weak with current skill set the same way it was in stoormblood? No? Then the answer is, nothing is wrong with him despite some venom being spit by old drk mains, same old story with this job.
Developer had no other choice but to rework him completely again.

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Originally Posted by TheForce

Unlimited AOEs...cool...you're aware every other tank has these too right?

Do you also love spamming one single target combo over and over?

You are aware that good tanks used their enmity combo a grand total of one (1) time in the fight, right? There was no reason to spam the thing. Ever. Also see: Dark Arts spam.

Do you also love having to work twice as hard to do the same exact thing as other Tanks because of DRK's slow MP regen and high MP costs?

DRK already had to work twice as hard to do the exact same things other tanks could do back in 4.0. Dark Arts forced a lot of double weaving and their damage output was pretty low for how much they had to do.

Do you also love having still non-existent utility compared to the other tanks?

Uh... if anything DRK's sole party utility, TBN, is better now and they got actual party utility in Dark Missionary, as lousy as it may be.

Do you also love being turned into an inferior copy of a class that already exists?

Nothing new. If anything DRK now has more of an identity than it did in SB, even if it's just a glorified dot and flashy dark effects.

Do you also love having the depth of your class be utterly gutted and tossed away resulting in the most repetitive, and boring Tank class in the game?

While I agree that the 4.0 MP bar back-and-forth was quite amusing, it added about as much depth as a puddle IMO. I was never a fan of how easy it was to regain MP on DRK and, once you figured out how to manage it, keeping enough for TBN at all times was extremely easy and even somewhat tedious. It's the same now, just slower.

Give me a break man.

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Replied in bold to each statement. I'm not saying DRK and GNB don't need some changes to bring them in line with the other tanks, at the very least DRK needs a buff to how much MP it can recover, but ultimately it's all a matter of opinions. Some people will like new DRK and others won't, if you don't like it then just play something else and hope Squeenix eventually gets around to changing things.

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Originally Posted by ElysaProudmoore

Tanks are completely monotonous and boring now. TYVM.
pls enjoy your generic combo + generic aoe combo.

Use my aggro generating ability, hit a mob, go afk. Heaven forbid you'd have to actually put some effort into tanking.
The only fun part was being able to swap stances and play around with cooldowns while tanking... seriously im depressed. really really dissapointing.
Spam 3 buttons, pop a cooldown now n then, perhaps side step an orange circle from time to time, hooo weeee wow what a blast....

DRK is just a trainwreck, do you even test things before releasing?
Other tanks have just been gutted in the worst ways....
Basically you removed skills that generated aggro to trivialize aggro generation, and took away anything that made each job feel unique, sure the abilities are different colors and each job uses a diff weapon and has a different stance, but from a gameplay standpoint were all just blending together now.

I dont even want to think about how horrible level sync will be with this.
....could go on about it but i wont as nothing will change.

Very very sad seeing all MMO's go this route of simplifying things endlessly/needlessly
easy game = more subs = more money
dont believe me? just look at the plethora of cash grabs on the mogstore.

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I don’t know what game you were playing but these changes are awesome! (Current level 75 warrior)
Having Aoe combo feels awesome! Although I’m sad warrior lost HP steal from steel cyclone but most healers don’t have much trouble with big pulls now.

If SE make a rework that make most of his old community have to move to another job then it's a problem and a big one no matter how you look at it and you like the new version BCS is a lack of respect for all the ppl who really enjoy the job in the past in his good and bad moments, noone should have to wait 2 years for the next expansion hopping for fixed that come or not.

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Originally Posted by shao32

If SE make a rework that make most of his old community have to move to another job then it's a problem and a big one no matter how you look at it and you like the new version BCS is a lack of respect for all the ppl who really enjoy the job in the past in his good and bad moments, noone should have to wait 2 years for the next expansion hopping for fixed that come or not.

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Other games rework characters/classes all the time, very often completely rebuilding it from scratch.
If a rework forces people to change their playing habits, then its a good rework. Some people will jump to other thing and other peeps will go play the reworked stuff.
A never ending cycle of changes is what keeps online games alive.
I love new DRK, its the faster version of 4.0 PLD with some WAR flavour.

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Other games rework characters/classes all the time, very often completely rebuilding it from scratch.
If a rework forces people to change their playing habits, then its a good rework. Some people will jump to other thing and other peeps will go play the reworked stuff.
A never ending cycle of changes is what keeps online games alive.
I love new DRK, its the faster version of 4.0 PLD with some WAR flavour.

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Where's the DRK then? You know, the fast-paced, high-APM tank who has to manage MP extensively? Because all I see now in 5.0's DRK is "well, we're kinda like WAR now, but with less big numbers".

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Originally Posted by Nedkel

Other games rework characters/classes all the time, very often completely rebuilding it from scratch.
If a rework forces people to change their playing habits, then its a good rework. Some people will jump to other thing and other peeps will go play the reworked stuff.
A never ending cycle of changes is what keeps online games alive.
I love new DRK, its the faster version of 4.0 PLD with some WAR flavour.

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Other games don't have 17 different jobs with more incoming and most mmo they have a few jobs with different skill trees so ppl can pick what they want, FFXIV is not like that and every job feels unique and have a personal play style evolving that play style with every expansion except DRK since now for some reason have to be a copy of WAR.

If DRK flow and personal style was good in the past why change it at all? It have problems like the rest of the jobs in the game for sure but most ppl claim HW was and is still the best version of the job with is everything what we love and is not anymore so this rework was unjustified and the backslash from the old mains is well deserved.

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Originally Posted by shao32

Other games don't have 17 different jobs with more incoming and most mmo they have a few jobs with different skill trees so ppl can pick what they want, FFXIV is not like that and every job feels unique and have a personal play style evolving that play style with every expansion except DRK since now for some reason have to be a copy of WAR.

If DRK flow and personal style was good in the past why change it at all? It have problems like the rest of the jobs in the game for sure but most ppl claim HW was and is still the best version of the job with is everything what we love and is not anymore so this rework was unjustified and the backslash from the old mains is well deserved.

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Then play another job (This is bait! Don’t blow your top off.)