How exactly does Alliance Raid roullette work?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Well... you'd never try use roulette to get a specific raid anyway. Since a lot of players are still after pennies from the Ivalice raids, it is not hard to get into any of them when queueing for them specifically.

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I seem to get LotA more than any other raid so I guess it comes down to random being random. When I get an Ivalice raid on rare occasion I'm actually relieved and excited. I haven't been playing much lately but it would appear that it's to my benefit.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

The only way is enforcing a minimum item level—probably one that corresponds with the item level of the last raid added to the Roulette, or something like:
- Level 50 and Item Level i90 (World of Darkness item level)
- Level 60 and Item Level i235 (Dun Scaith item level)
- Level 70 and Item Level i365 (Orbonne Monastery item level)

And it scales based on what level you queue into it with (e.g., queue in with a level 65 job, you need to meet the level 60 requirements).

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Any ilv enforcement would just have players use the lowest they can go. So in this case, we would see more roulettes putting us in WoD instead of LoTA. I think they would have to lift the ilv requirement entirely to actually intervene players from doing this. They would then have to exclude the Invalice raids from the roulette until we get a new 24-man. It's a possibility. You wouldn't hear any complaints from me if they did do this.

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Honestly, wipes in CT aren’t uncommon. Lots of people don’t stand on the pads for LotA’s last boss during Ancient Flare and wipe the raid. WoD, I’ve wiped on every boss in there well after its period of relevancy: Angry Mango wipes are not surprising, and I still see them to this day...4 years later...with no new players in the instance...

Back in HW, you’d see a lot of deaths to the Bone Dragon because people would ignore the skeletons (because lol what are mechanics). But since they nerfed the amount the skeletons do when they blow up, it only really happens to the babies that queue in wearing their AF gear.

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Oh I know. I'm not saying that wipes don't happen in CT, or that they are uncommon. However, what I am saying is that I am seeing things happen in there that I've never encountered before. When I saw telegraphs from Xande and Phlegethon that probably haven't made an appearance since these raids were relevant, I was taken aback a bit. The wipes that happen for not so uncommon reasons have also increased in frequency. I am super tolerant and don't mind running CT over and over again, but even I have my limit with wipes when I can tell players just don't care. I know if I'm losing patience to the point I no longer care to run the roulette, many others have to be feeling that way as well. Just a hunch though.

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Originally Posted by Makeda

I almost feel like my mistake was unlocking Crystal Tower... If I'd not unlocked it, I'd only see the other two - I'd likely have vastly long queue times, but at least I'd see them without given up the roulette bonuses.

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Well... a roulette is a roulette, after all. You don't use it for taking specific dungeon or, at least, it's not how they supposed to work. They are needable mostly for making old content relevant, though sometimes you can end up with four 70 lvl guys in Sastasha.

If you need some separate raid - you can queue there outside of roulette with checking few options (up to 5), and it's probably will not be much longer than queueing in roulette, since you can end up with those, who stayed in queue excactly for roulette. But in case with daily bonuses, I'm afraid, we will deal with this randomizer for an eternety. Can't say if it's bad or not.

Crucially nobody needs the Shadows of Mhach series for anything. A lot of new players catch up to lv70 stuff without realising they missed unlocking a lv60 raid. The Ivalice stuff may be the same when it's no longer current. Once raids become outdated aside from some glams and minions that only a few people are still actively seeking, it's quite hard to get a full alliance in there. If the roulette sucks you can try queuing for a specific duty you want to clear and waiting a while. If that's no good you can also set the PF to a specific raid and it will open recruitment for party A-B-C for you; can even do them undersize unsynced if there's at least 1 person in each party, though I'd recommend a minimum of 6 people for a lv60 alliance raid so it doesn't take forever and you pass dps checks.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

A LoTA run I had the other night was just a disaster. The red rectangle main aggro indicator was never on a tank, and Phlegethon got to a phase of AoE telegraphs I've never seen before because it was taking so long to kill him. Same with Xande, and Cloud of Darkness' big beam attack is one-shotting players again.

Basically, Crystal Tower is becoming a schitefest and these players are eventually going to start wondering if dropping their ilv is even worth it, because the easy clears are no longer a guarantee. If I was SE, I'd just grab some popcorn and kick my heels up.

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Experiences differ. Yesterday I had an unusually smooth run of World of Darkness. Not a single wipe, which is otherwise not unusual in there, and no real problems at all going through it.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Any ilv enforcement would just have players use the lowest they can go. So in this case, we would see more roulettes putting us in WoD instead of LoTA. I think they would have to lift the ilv requirement entirely to actually intervene players from doing this. They would then have to exclude the Invalice raids from the roulette until we get a new 24-man. It's a possibility. You wouldn't hear any complaints from me if they did do this.

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I think you misunderstood - they would have to meet both level and item level requirements. So, if a player queues into the Roulette as a level 65 job, and they have every alliance raid unlocked, they need to meet the item level requirement for the highest raid they can currently do, which would be Dun Scaith. If they tried to go below i235, the Roulette would not let them queue.

I don't see how that corresponds with "more WoD runs" unless we're talking about a player that is level 51-59 (or one that has never unlocked anything past the CT Raids). In which case, you literally can't get anything higher than WoD until you're level 60 and unlock the Mhach raids. That being said, WoD is at least better than LotA and ST. I'd take it any day.

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Oh I know. I'm not saying that wipes don't happen in CT, or that they are uncommon. However, what I am saying is that I am seeing things happen in there that I've never encountered before. When I saw telegraphs from Xande and Phlegethon that probably haven't made an appearance since these raids were relevant, I was taken aback a bit. The wipes that happen for not so uncommon reasons have also increased in frequency. I am super tolerant and don't mind running CT over and over again, but even I have my limit with wipes when I can tell players just don't care. I know if I'm losing patience to the point I no longer care to run the roulette, many others have to be feeling that way as well. Just a hunch though.

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I've seen Phelgethon's bacon floor mechanic as recent as this expansion. So I'm not really that surprised.

Don't forget that most roulette runs fill in the gaps of a non roulette run.
If there's someone queuing for Void Arc, and you're not artificially lowering you ilvl, you'll likely end up doing Void Arc.

The biggest factor is likely that there just aren't many people doing those higher level raids atm.

There's a load of people just doing Crystal Tower for the first time because of Shadowbringers, and a load of relatively new players who probably haven't reached the end of HW yet.

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Originally Posted by griffinborn

Oh lawd. I've never heard this before but I believe it.

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I used to do this for any brand new raid, 24man or otherwise because I would clear and get my rewards on reset day, meaning i was locked out of gear and token rolls. Rather than take the chance to end up in the newest raid the next day, I would lower my ilvl just below the recent one.

i reapet myself ,make crystal tower great again and force new and old players to run it at the min ilvl required to clear it, let people enjoy lota for what it really was.

ciao