Raiders, is this normal (O10S question)?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Your damage is going to plummet during that phase regardless of role because of the randomness of the keys (so you can't pre-position yourself for attacking or go in a CW or CCW fashion). You also will not be able to get full rotations on most of them if your static is piling on the same one. Plus, after Protostar, you're running around dodging divebombs and AOEs. The total time of that entire phase is pushing 2 minutes.

My static tries to split up with at least two players on the non-invulnerable nails to kill them faster. But we still see a significant drop in damage simply because of the amount of downtime you have during the add phase. Whether or not this is the optimal strat I can't say, but we do down it faster now that we did before when we were one person per nail.



For some, optimization of a fight and increasing their damage (personal and raid damage) is enjoyment. How about we stop making pointless suggestions that everyone should play your preferred way?

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Additionally there's the fact that melee are hurt harder by basically everything in that fight. The summoner and bard both on my group are able to DOT up multiple nails while, as a monk, I can't really do that, and am doing zero damage while traveling between nails, unless I happen to have Shoulder Tackle off cooldown when it comes time to move to a different one. I've just accepted that the fight just isn't very friendly to melee and do the best I can with an annoying fight.

I think the biggest reason your DPS drops is because there are parts in the fight that the uptime suffers. from midgar jumping away and doing his annoying mechanics to the tanks not positioning the exaflare in a way that allows people to keep doing their melee. Sadly the entire fight if you look at it has a bigger dip than O9S and O11S cause of these mechanics. It isn't something you really can work with. The only thing you can do is try to save up your abilities just as he is about to jump so you can try to do a full amount of damage in a short time like it is an opener. In the end though if your killing him in the end you are fine DPS wise and should enjoy the instance. I personally find O10S one of the most annoying fights they added mostly because of the large amount of derp I witness in the Party Finder.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

I've just accepted that the fight just isn't very friendly to melee and do the best I can with an annoying fight.

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this is exactly why o10s is my least favorite fight of this tier. The "most random" mechanics, the most downtime and USUALLY the most amount of wipes of all the fights.

Talk among my static is the fight is just generally poorly designed and buggy. Heard other people say that out of the entire tier, its the worst fight to actually play due to how some of the RNG plays out, or how stupid some of the mechanics can bug out. As an example, if you mistime the bulwark swap during Hot Tail phase, you can lose the bulwark completely - as in itll disappear. Thats always fun. It's probably a server tick issue or something but even so...

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Originally Posted by Reap00

I suggest turning off the parser and just enjoy the game.

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100% a grey parse is nothing to be ashamed of. fact is a group of entirely grey parsers can still clear most of the fights. all which matters is doing enough dps to clear. if you want to improve beyond that great but beating yourself up for "underperforming" will not help you. (Fun fact most grey parsers are above the REAL average due to only a tiny percentage of players actually uploading savage logs).

I suggest always trying to improve but never ever let anyone tell you you're bad becuase yada yada garbage. its not true and those people are inferior to you simply due to the fact their abuse of you makes them inferior. Be better than them, try to improve, but don't let them get you down.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

(Fun fact most grey parsers are above the REAL average due to only a tiny percentage of players actually uploading savage logs)

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That's not really a fact....I've never heard of grey parses being above the real average for Savage raiding before since my time. If you're grey, you're not being good, you're skating by with the bare minimum truthfully. You cleared by the skin of your teeth for what the average is for your chosen job respectfully.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

100% a grey parse is nothing to be ashamed of. fact is a group of entirely grey parsers can still clear most of the fights. all which matters is doing enough dps to clear. if you want to improve beyond that great but beating yourself up for "underperforming" will not help you. (Fun fact most grey parsers are above the REAL average due to only a tiny percentage of players actually uploading savage logs).

I suggest always trying to improve but never ever let anyone tell you you're bad becuase yada yada garbage. its not true and those people are inferior to you simply due to the fact their abuse of you makes them inferior. Be better than them, try to improve, but don't let them get you down.

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With like-minded players, yes. You can do or perform however and have no impact on those involved since everyone is on the same page. When you join parties where the expectations are higher and come in with the attitude "even if I do the bare minimum. That should be enough." People are well within their right to be annoyed.

Regardless, when comparing statistical data, you don't include people who were never going to partake in that activity to begin with. This also makes the incorrect assumption people who choose not to raid are inherently worse players. All in all, you're not exactly doing a convincing job to dispel the notion you're the one spreading toxicity.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Such defensive children. Keep your parsers. Make the game a competition over #'s. I will enjoy the game.

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The only one acting like a child here right now is you. There's nothing wrong with expecting competency from your teammates in a cooperative and team building game like XIV is. It's an MMO, you need to work together and communicate with your other party members effectively for everyone to have their fun together.

If you want to be selfish and think only of yourself, might I suggest a single player game then? Maybe Hello Kitty Island Adventure would be up your alley mi'lady.

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Originally Posted by Sylvina

100% a grey parse is nothing to be ashamed of. fact is a group of entirely grey parsers can still clear most of the fights. all which matters is doing enough dps to clear. if you want to improve beyond that great but beating yourself up for "underperforming" will not help you. (Fun fact most grey parsers are above the REAL average due to only a tiny percentage of players actually uploading savage logs).

I suggest always trying to improve but never ever let anyone tell you you're bad becuase yada yada garbage. its not true and those people are inferior to you simply due to the fact their abuse of you makes them inferior. Be better than them, try to improve, but don't let them get you down.

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My FC's DPS usually parses high green/blue with some dips into purple territory, our healers/tanks mostly going grey, and we still hit enrage from time to time. No way a full gray clears any current enrage.

Not saying it's any reason to bully or anything, but if you're parsing gray you usually have some room for improvement.

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Additionally there's the fact that melee are hurt harder by basically everything in that fight. The summoner and bard both on my group are able to DOT up multiple nails while, as a monk, I can't really do that, and am doing zero damage while traveling between nails, unless I happen to have Shoulder Tackle off cooldown when it comes time to move to a different one. I've just accepted that the fight just isn't very friendly to melee and do the best I can with an annoying fight.

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It's worse when Midgardsormr decides to always be out (double dishwasher) in the first/final phase, or only corners/cardinals in the final phase. Every time we do this fight in my group, I have to mute myself because I am just constantly swearing every time Midgardsormr does this nonsense. I would rather do Phantom Train or pre-nerfed T7 than this dumb fight.

I think the time I got 73rd %tile was when Midgardsormr actually gave me a break. Always in and always chose ranged DPS for the ice puddle placement and no corner/cardinal in final phase.