Why don't normal Trials drop anything?

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Originally Posted by Maeka

Grind != Difficulty

We're past the 350 tier.

Suzaku requires 355 to even enter.

If you can kill Suzaku, why should you have to grind grind grind to get 350 stuff just to have a little fun on a 2nd, 3rd, etc job?

EDIT: Also, for that matter, I'd love to know why we stopped doing dungeon weapons. Even if they were a bit behind in I-level, not sure why it'd be so terrible if dungeons would drop weapons. I have like 3-4 jobs that are Lv70, wearing a hodge-podge of 355/345/325 armor, but have 300 weapons because the tomestones are needed elsewhere. For example, my freaking RDM has like 343 avg and IIRC, the weapon is only like 320 or something like that, whatever the first tier of Eureka is.

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If you're in a mix of 345 with a 300 weapon, your tomestones aren't needed elsewhere.

You buy a weapon or consider that alt retired. Especially in the first few weeks of a major patch, there's an incentive to focus.

But if you're on a 300 weapon, you've basically ignored this forever. Suggestion now is to pick a class and stick to it until it's properly done, rather than mix and match over a dozen different roles.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

If you're in a mix of 345 with a 300 weapon, your tomestones aren't needed elsewhere.

You buy a weapon or consider that alt retired. Especially in the first few weeks of a major patch, there's an incentive to focus.

But if you're on a 300 weapon, you've basically ignored this forever. Suggestion now is to pick a class and stick to it until it's properly done, rather than mix and match over a dozen different roles.

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There is something called "having other jobs".

My WHM has a 360 weapon, and is... 355? 356?

But yet there are other jobs I'd like to try in some kind of max-level setting. But yet I need the Tomestones on my WHM as first priority. But you know there are days when I'd like to Q up as a RDM for example. Or maybe my NIN. Or heck, I'd like to get back into tanking, but my PLD is sitting at ~320 because every tank Needs on everything that drops even if they obviously don't need it. I know those 80k+ tanks don't need the 355 junk that drops but they Need on it anyways. sigh.

But anyways, yeah, it's called still needing Mendacity on my Main Job, but yet would like to try out other jobs, because you know, we can change jobs on the fly for a reason and I doubt that reason was "so they can sit unused because of weapon starvation".

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Originally Posted by Maeka

There is something called "having other jobs".

My WHM has a 360 weapon, and is... 355? 356?

But yet there are other jobs I'd like to try in some kind of max-level setting. But yet I need the Tomestones on my WHM as first priority. But you know there are days when I'd like to Q up as a RDM for example. Or maybe my NIN. Or heck, I'd like to get back into tanking, but my PLD is sitting at ~320 because every tank Needs on everything that drops even if they obviously don't need it. I know those 80k+ tanks don't need the 355 junk that drops but they Need on it anyways. sigh.

But anyways, yeah, it's called still needing Mendacity on my Main Job, but yet would like to try out other jobs, because you know, we can change jobs on the fly for a reason and I doubt that reason was "so they can sit unused because of weapon starvation".

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Until you can afford to gear out your alts, they're retired. The game goes out of its way, intentionally, to make your life difficult if you decide you want to play everything all at once at cap.

Leave the road to 60 playstyle, where you try to be everything, back at level 60.

A month or two down the road it's not an issue, but you do need to focus for now.

Crafted weapons gear alts very easily. I managed to kit out all 13 classes to 359ish or higher with it the last patch (augmenting with tome pieces). And 360 is more than good enough to do 95% of the game's content at the time, as is 390 now. You can gear alts that way and play them as you like. It kept me sane during the content drought, because it's nice to switch jobs up in casual content.

I would love if they added some incentive to run the Normal trials because it would increase the pool of players running those. That would (hopefully) reduce the hour-long wait times for newcomers for the required story trials. They did so for the MHW cross-over trial by including some glamor, housing & music stuff while also seperating of stuff for the Ex trial.

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Originally Posted by TalithaSolarien

I would love if they added some incentive to run the Normal trials because it would increase the pool of players running those. That would (hopefully) reduce the hour-long wait times for newcomers for the required story trials. They did so for the MHW cross-over trial by including some glamor, housing & music stuff while also seperating of stuff for the Ex trial.

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Roulette and MSQ already takes care of this incentive. Loot is how you provide the incentive to run the harder versions of said trial, otherwise why run it all?

If anything, they should be taking anything and everything out of story mode trials and raids for the shear fact that you can get your clear using roulette. Duty roulette has its own rewards already outside of anything additional you get from running the content.

If you want to reduce the wait time for a story mode encounter, then queue as a tank or healer.

With the way Pagos is, casuals need the normal raids to get a good weapon

I’d be up for normal mode primals dropping a second ring, you can get full i380 gear from normal mode raids, so why not have that last ring slot come from the equivalent normal mode primal?

I'm hoping they'll do what they did with Ultima and Dun Scaith. Give us another option for accessories, which both helps with plain gearing (every accessory token is tomestones spent elsewhere) as well as push that extra ilvl bit with another ring.

Other than that, I can only see them introducing extra accessories or what not if they ever add two extreme primals at once like Lakshmi and Susano. Though damn I'd love some Lakshmi weapons, they'd have to be pretty.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Roulette and MSQ already takes care of this incentive. Loot is how you provide the incentive to run the harder versions of said trial, otherwise why run it all?

If anything, they should be taking anything and everything out of story mode trials and raids for the shear fact that you can get your clear using roulette. Duty roulette has its own rewards already outside of anything additional you get from running the content.

If you want to reduce the wait time for a story mode encounter, then queue as a tank or healer.

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Roulettes for story mode trials simply do not work. Try running the MSQ as a dps (like most new players do) and will wait usually an hour for any Heavensward and Stormblood trial. There aren't enough players running Trial roulette to make a difference here (even less players are running Mentor roulette).

And I'm not talking about adding the Ex loot to the Normal trial, for MHW they did add different stuff to both versions of the trial.