Is this why Pagos was delayed?

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

It's your choice to AFK. As everyone is pointing out that Eureka is supposed to be a "social" event, why not... socialize with others? You could do that a lot better in Anemos.

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I think it's a pretty bleak statement about a piece of content when one of the primary redeeming aspects people keep bringing up is something they could do at literally any crowded vendor, retainer bell, or market board area.

Heck, crafting is even macro-able. You don't even need to interrupt your primary goal to chat while doing it >_>

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Originally Posted by Zojha

I think it's a pretty bleak statement about a piece of content when one of the primary redeeming aspects people keep bringing up is something they could do at literally any crowded vendor, retainer bell, or market board area.

Heck, crafting is even macro-able. You don't even need to interrupt your primary goal to chat while doing it >_>

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Oh, I agree. I didn't like Anemos, but I could go in, have some fun with my friends, and get some progress. Now I have to commit to this like a job with time I don't have just to even hope to get a partway to my relic. And it's not fun. Sure, Anemos was a chore, but there were things I could do to make it bearable. Those are all gone here. And they've not only gated my relic, but an emote and some crafting items I want behind it, too.

Would I ultimately want something 100% different from Eureka for the relic grind? Yep. But asking for them to tweak some spawn rates is a lot more likely to be successful than a complete overhaul.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

the train wasn't supposed to happen. pagos is the way anemos should have been.

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Any reason why?

The problem I'm seeing with this content, is most similar to the past content. When Squeenix puts out new updates, they go back and say "well, this isn't what was intended from us when this was released". They're basically punishing the community for finding more efficient ways to do things. Whether it's clear a dungeon quicker, or killing NM's in Eureka over leveling slowly and painfully in the instance and fighting specific monsters. Your community is smarter than you think. We're not stupid and we want to be efficient with our time, just like anyone else. Yes, there are a lot of casual players, but again, your community will eventually find a way to do things at a better and faster pace, than a snails pace. If you do not want your content to be pushed in a way that you don't like, you need to show us the very thing you want people to do, and why it's more efficient that way than any other direction. You set the content out, and let the community roll with it.

If a glitch is not what's getting people through the content, or loopholes that are illegal (like using POTD items on a trial extreme boss fight), you let your community take the wheel and accept the challenge to better themselves as both players with thinking and problem solving skills. Use that to your advantage as a developer and build AROUND that. Don't weigh the community down by setting us back. That line might look short now, but it won't take a genius to figure out how to jump farther or fly across that line stretched so thin. We aim for the skies, not the ground.

As Urianger once said - "Man was ever wont to disbelieve and to delay, yet the Twelve have granted him a conscience that he might act at the last. Hark thou unto these words if thou wouldst hearken to naught else."

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Originally Posted by udubdave

I hated the fate train. What's so fun about going afk then killing a boss then afk then killing a boss. That being said, I rode the fate train since it was the fastest way to level.

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You took the time on the train to AFK. surely you were able to do other things at the time, like watch a tv/netflix/hbo/hulu/whatever show, pay some bills, make appointments, etc etc. Pagos removes that from being an option if you want to do it.

You had the choice to afk in Anemos. You don't have that choice in Pagos.

I liked the train. It gave a chance for high levels to help out low levels with leveling up. How it is now there is not enough tanks for all the people searching for a party in there. They should thought of that before wrecking the train in there.

I really like this thread a lot. It's honest. Whenever players of random origin find a way to work and play together, the devs should well pay attention. That's what you want in an MMO.

To ignore this is absolutely perilous: even cruel. To not only ignore it but to then demonstrate beyond any doubt that you're ignoring it by basically re-releasing it in a way that prevents all the things the players accomplished: that's slapping customers in the face.

I don't post often here, but I do read a lot. And there's an awful lot of reasons to be concerned about this game's future. I can see it in these threads and I can feel it when I'm in the game. This is one of the most anti-social MMOs I've ever played. It's the wrong direction.

I wish I had faith things will get better, but I don't believe the devs pay any attention to their English speaking customers. I can only hope our friends to the East are sharing similar concerns. All of this said, it is still a great game. There's a lot to love about it.

And to that end, so I would not take another extended break, I've been putting effort into creating a community I can play with, because it's an MMO, and the players themselvea are a huge part of the formula that leads to fun and success.


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Originally Posted by rswfire

I really like this thread a lot. It's honest. Whenever players of random origin find a way to work and play together, the devs should well pay attention. That's what you want in an MMO.

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One would think they'd make NMs more exciting, maybe increase or decrease difficulty like Odin's FATE works. Maybe fiddle with the concept of even chaining NMs to increase exp or something like spawn and kill certain NMs in order to get a boost or spawn something bigger. I don't know. Pagos is bland, too bland. Almost as if it was ready along side Anemos and they just made the NM spawn rate lower cause of the Anemos train and released it late in order to ...ahem, space out the content. e_e;

Always hated zergtrains, this one is no different.

Bring back the train! (and mounts.)