You can also TBN whoever's MTing. Is there a reason not to? But anyways, yes, you'll be using abyssal drain, but that's what we wanted to do anyways. The whole point is that quietus is the medium that let's us get there, but isn't even a bad means. Add phases in general do not last long. You can get at least 4 quietus off in that time, easily, and without relying on BP.Quote:
Originally Posted by InfiniDragon
Why is Quietus so weak?
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07-03-2018, 09:16 AMHierro
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07-03-2018, 10:08 PMSummerScorcherIf they were to go through with a decision like this, I'm sure they would have Total Eclipse be gained at lv6 instead of Flash, and have that new magic damage AoE somewhere between 60-80.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekimmak
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07-04-2018, 12:50 AMKabooa
Quietus is like the only part of the new abilities for Dark Knight that feels good to use.
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07-04-2018, 02:10 AMLythYep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ekimmak
Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course. -
07-04-2018, 05:04 AMHierroYeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
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07-04-2018, 06:49 AMSaenoI mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
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07-04-2018, 10:08 AMHierroirrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or anotherQuote:
Originally Posted by Saeno
oh, now you agree with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeno
Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeno
You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeno
BULL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Saeno
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07-04-2018, 09:42 PMFeliAikoYou could make the suggested Flash idea an upgraded trait (like how IR is an upgrade of Zerk now), so it retains its old function at lower levels (enmity) and gets the damage trait later on.Quote:
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07-05-2018, 12:42 PMOtorinth
'Sure wish I had this "weak" Quietus as a Paladin.
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07-08-2018, 01:01 PMSaenono, it's very relevant because of out all of the jobs, WAR is the only one that doesnt lose DPS when applying or maintaining it. NIN loses an aeolean every third combo due to needing to reapply slashing and SAM does its opener without slashing for quite a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
In what way?Quote:
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And you also have awful aggro as a result. Resulting in you doing excessive enmity combos and losing DPS from potency and loss of MP gain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
Holmgang blows the other tank invuls out of the water in any content that matters. This is not up for debate. Holmgang also makes WAR's mitigation kit way stronger thanks to it allowing the WAR to constantly have some form of mitigation while Holmgang covers any hard hitting damage every 3 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro
Do you want to know what's bull? 5x decimates guaranteeing a crit/direct hit. If you seriously think PLD would be broken with more Aoe but WAR is fine with Inner release decimates then I think you need to take another look at the numbers between a PLD and WAR in aoe situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hierro