Black magic...kinda sucks

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Originally Posted by Malkria

The way I was suggesting the degradation occur was that at the end of the timer, as it is now, you lose one stack then the others on three second timers. Thus you effectively extend the timer by six seconds for mechanics and those still learning the class while preserving the full power for those who have mastered it. Without driving the dps of the job into a brick wall as soon as the timer runs out. That way those who mastered the class still keep that mechanic as is, but while making the job slightly more forgiving for those still learning it, and thus a little more appealing.

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This goes to show you don't understand the job. If you are EVER running out of AF/UI, you're doing it wrong. Transpose has already solved the issue that you are trying to fix here, and in a better way than what you suggest. There is no benefit to having 2 stacks over 1 except a small MP reduction. You already lose the speed buff from being in AF/UI3, so 1 stack vs 2 stacks is pointless. The is challenging, but this is not one of it's issues.

Everything you've posted so far just shows us that you do not understand the job or lack the ability to press Transpose every 8s. That's fine, play something else. But again, stop trying to ruin BLM for those who do enjoy.

I think i know what the issue might be for the OP. They said they are mid 60 and having trouble maintaining Enochian. The issue isn't so much using Transpose, which might be part of it, but the lack of a clear buff indicator until you reach level 70. SE still hasn't fixed the Enochian indicator, I don't think? I'd have to double check, I'm 70 so I just watch the countdown.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

I think i know what the issue might be for the OP. They said they are mid 60 and having trouble maintaining Enochian. The issue isn't so much using Transpose, which might be part of it, but the lack of a clear buff indicator until you reach level 70. SE still hasn't fixed the Enochian indicator, I don't think? I'd have to double check, I'm 70 so I just watch the countdown.

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This is true, however, if you read your tooltips you know it's bound to AF/UI. Don't lose that, and you won't lose Enochian. Not saying it shouldn't be fixed, but it's not a real issue. And they have continually said "losing your timers" which at pre-70 is only AF/UI.

No it does not suck in any shape or form. It is in fact, if played right, one of the strongest DPS jobs in the game. Is it immobile? yes, but that's part of the design. Even more so, the immobile part is only in regards to losing damage, it is highly mobile for dealing with movement mechanics. Jumping back to leylines / teleporting to other party members. And of course triple cast / swiftcast for casting on the move.

Sounds more like you don't enjoy playing this type of job and that's fine, not everyone will like every job. But the job does certainly not as you say suck.

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Originally Posted by GunksFoy

This goes to show you don't understand the job.

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Right...I don't understand a job that has one of the most simplistic rotations and play styles in the game. Yes transpose is an option, but at the same time when you are trying to squeeze in every last bit of DPS the server doesn't always register the switch in timer. Like I said, this is the ONLY job that feels like it drives into a brick wall once a timer goes off. There is no 'understanding a job' here, there is no skill needed here, it's if a timer goes off your DPS takes a sudden and immediate nose dive.

Furthermore, how am I trying to ruin BLM for anyone? What have I suggested would ruin the job? Change the play style, maybe get more people to play it, but ruin it? Maybe trying being less elitist. 9.9

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Originally Posted by Thela

No it does not suck in any shape or form. It is in fact, if played right, one of the strongest DPS jobs in the game.

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Then everyone I talk to is apparently an idiot? Because I'm being told that BLM not only is NOT the strongest DPS but is also just not fun to play in a lot of my FC and friend's eyes. For a lot of the same reasons I've already talked about (hell it is one of the reasons I picked up the BLM to try it again).

Sorry, but i've spent the time up to 70 now playing the job and...it sucks. YES you have transpose and yes you have some instant cast options. But frankly the rotation is to simple, the mobility to bad, the punishment for making a mistake to severe, and the design over all doesn't mesh with how the game demands you play.

Like I said, I have played many a turret type job/class over the years. I can get behind wanting raw power...and frankly the BLM falls flat in this regard. The fact it is a 'selfish job' and still falls flat only makes it all the sadder.

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Originally Posted by Malkria

Right...I don't understand a job that has one of the most simplistic rotations and play styles in the game.

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Sounds about right.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Sounds about right.

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You know, for a group that seems to think everything is working as intended...you all are very defensive about a single voice giving protest. Or is it that I am NOT the only one pointing these things out? That maybe there might actually be some substance to what I am saying? In which case the way you all are so quick to defend this job despite it's issues becomes apparent. I wonder if you all reacted the same way to these "quality of life" changes that Square put forward in the expansion, and claimed it would kill the job then too?

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Originally Posted by Malkria

Then everyone I talk to is apparently an idiot? Because I'm being told that BLM not only is NOT the strongest DPS but is also just not fun to play in a lot of my FC and friend's eyes. For a lot of the same reasons I've already talked about (hell it is one of the reasons I picked up the BLM to try it again).

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It depends on the context they said that it's not the strongest DPS. If they're talking meta, yes it is not a meta job. For personal DPS, though, yes it is definitely one of, if not the, most powerful DPS in the game. Don't take my word for it, or your friends', go look at the FFLogs rankings for DPS.

It's clear you dislike the gameplay style. But it is not a bad gameplay style. Move on and find a job you like better.

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Originally Posted by Malkria

You know, for a group that seems to think everything is working as intended...you all are very defensive about a single voice giving protest. Or is it that I am NOT the only one pointing these things out?

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This forum just likes pointing out when people are wrong. It kills a lot of time because there are a lot of wrong people here.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

This forum just likes pointing out when people are wrong. It kills a lot of time because there are a lot of wrong people here.

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Except that it seems that a LOT of people want BLM to either have more versatility, mobility, and/or a more interesting rotation. So I question who is in the 'wrong' here.

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Originally Posted by Dualgunner

It's clear you dislike the gameplay style. But it is not a bad gameplay style. Move on and find a job you like better.

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No, it is not that I don't like the play style. I have played, and enjoyed, the turret play style. Even to the point where I played abilities literally called "turret mode". Like I have said, those games do it better, and also design the game AROUND the inclusion of said abilities. To which while I understand that Yoshi likes BLM, the point wasn't ever that the job isn't playable. It's that the job is by far the most punishing for mistakes while not bringing much to the table to justify it.

The job could in so may ways still keep this 'turret style" dps while still having more mobility. Hell in ways that would also potentially make it more group orientated. But the first step is admitting the job stands to gain a lot more then lose if changed at all.

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Originally Posted by Malkria

Except that it seems that a LOT of people want BLM to either have more versatility, mobility, and/or a more interesting rotation. So I question who is in the 'wrong' here.

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Show me some quotes? "Lot" is a very good weasel word you know.