Minimum iLvl - Leveling Dungeons

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

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Im not sure i agree cause like besides story potion, somebody playing regulary through MQ and going into Doma Dungeon, which this topic is about (and this would be a problem even with story potion if you ask me), doesnt sound like "someone who is new and dont know better". When someone has not equipped gear which they solely get through MQ which has the right ammount Ilvl imo it has nothing much to do with uninformed. If someone does get that far into the game (we talking several days or even weeks ingame time here) then the issue is something else without realising something that fundemental.

This means, until this point, the player, forever reason (lets exclude trolling because thats some special case) didnt get the memo. Which is a bad thing so i dont know, if game design wise, simply adding minimum ilvl is like smart and dont carry the issue only to somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

This means, until this point, the player, forever reason (lets exclude trolling because thats some special case) didnt get the memo.

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I ran Bardam's Mettle the other day. DRK. Our BLM was in full shire gear at 69, probably a job potion. I had to tell them to use Enochian because they only spammed Fire and Bliz. You're sadly giving hefty chunks of the playerbase far too much credit. Maintaining proper ilvl and even learning your rotation are things many players don't regularly do.

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Which is a bad thing so i dont know, if game design wise, simply adding minimum ilvl is like smart and dont carry the issue only to somewhere else.

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It will keep those people from harming the game experience of the rest of their parties, just like how you should kick and report people who get into a duty and then change into low level gear (unless agreed upon before queueing ofc). More positively, it will tell people "hey, you're doing something wrong". Most people will fix it when told that.

It needs to be addressed. This is why I avoid leveling roulette as much as possible because of there being no minimum iLvl. And when it comes to ARR content it is really bad because it feels like there are no minimum ilvl requirements, only your actual level requirements.

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Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

I ran Bardam's Mettle the other day. DRK. Our BLM was in full shire gear at 69, probably a job potion. I had to tell them to use Enochian because they only spammed Fire and Bliz. You're sadly giving hefty chunks of the playerbase far too much credit. Maintaining proper ilvl and even learning your rotation are things many players don't regularly do.



It will keep those people from harming the game experience of the rest of their parties, just like how you should kick and report people who get into a duty and then change into low level gear (unless agreed upon before queueing ofc). More positively, it will tell people "hey, you're doing something wrong". Most people will fix it when told that.

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No i know about the player in mmorpgs but i dont know how much i really can attribute to "uninformed". If someone does not have gear equiped which is handed to you that even the game auto equips to you. Like imo you need to go out of your way to achive something like that. So if seriously is a issue, and the issue is attributed to uninformed players, i would rather suggest the game should have fix the teaching part. Like i said seems like really bad game design for me. If the base game, which is arguably more of slog then other mmorpgs, even cant you teach that, which is more basic then not stand in bad things, whats the point?

But i digress, its nothing like i am opposing to the idea, just my 2 cents more on the root of the problem. But adding minimum Ilvl to leveling especially in ARR is fine

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Originally Posted by Luin

EDIT - And it should go without saying that we should also start requiring jobs in the Duty Finder for all content higher than 30.

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I stumbled upon a 45 without a job didn't have a clue about them, pretty happy when I pointed it out xD

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Originally Posted by Mhaeric

Honestly, I think the only minimum requirement that needs to be added is for weapon ilevel. As long as your weapon is up to par, you can get away with a lot of stuff.

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Yes and no. Bardam's Mettle - had a bard in there in sky pirate gear. You know, the white stuff you put on to even try to start running the 60 dungeons so you could get your scripture for Shire gear? He thought he was good enough to dodge everything (and with the second boss, sure, that's fine), but I knew there was trouble when we hit the group of bird trash mobs in the second part and the big one did his wind AOE and the bard just... dropped. Full health -> nothing. He wasn't rolling on gear, either. I ended up with a piece of aiming gear because I greed everything, trusting people who need gear to actually... well... need it. Needless to say, final boss trashed him twice in immediate succession with his wind AOE and Flutterfall and at that point it was worth more to me to keep my mana to keep up the tank and the other DPS, so I left him on the floor for the rest of the fight. He had a shisui weapon, so the DPS wasn't terrible, but he couldn't handle the damage.

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Originally Posted by Kaitoo

And the end of the day you could put requirements all you want, if you choose to willingy group up with randoms you gonna risk in to getting such situations.

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If the game already has measures in place to gate people (and it does, with ilvl requirements in 50/60/70 dungeons, as well as already level-gating in levelling dungeons) then "people are just gonna be dicks, you signed up for it" really shouldn't be applicable. They already limit so much of what we do so that we don't 'inconvenience' other players, this seems like such a massive oversight.

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

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Originally Posted by Yasminou

I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

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Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

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Originally Posted by Yasminou

If leveling dungeons had a minimul ilvl, there would be a problem with the leveling roulette, which already appears in the trial, lv. 50/60 and alliance raid roulettes: people would be able to make the game select Sastasha, Ifrit and all the other low-level duties by queuing almost naked. There is no need to make the roulette choose Sastasha more often than it already does...

I understand the need for a minimum item level for these dungeons. I just cannot find a satisfying solution because of the roulette.

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I'm sure it would require too much code, but they could tie ilvl to char level and not allow you to queue if you don't have minimum ilvl for the highest level dungeon you're of-level to enter.

And I'm not saying the ilvl needs to be ridiculous, it can be super-forgiving. Just something to keep people out of level 40+ dungeons in their starter gear/the level 15 gear they get from the Hall of the Novice. (Or Bardam's Mettle in i185 ><)

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Originally Posted by Paladinleeds

Game works out the best ilvl you have with your gear (including in retainers/saddlebag). When you queue for the roulette, it works out what you can do based on the gear you have. It will then force you into your best ilvl gear (unless you queue as a pre-made). Pulling out from the retainer and saddlebag if needed. There ya go, people can't just force Sastasha etc, and you can put min ilvl requirements in.

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You say "there ya go" as if it were easy for the game to juggle with the retainers' inventories, the saddle bag and the arsenal.
Furthermore, people could fill all of these (and equip low-level stuff) so that there is no room for the best gear to be moved an equipped.