Growing tired of this Stigma

Fact is there are only 8 party slots for endgame content and 15 jobs. Assuming no double stacking jobs that leaves 7 jobs that won’t be meta, almost enough jobs to form a non-meta party...

In a game as linear as this in both content and job progression it is inevitable that only 8 jobs will take the top spots. The only way all jobs will be optimal would be for them to be the same job with different skins.

In my opinion the game needs more variety in content, they need to design fights around different party compositions so it doesn’t always just come down to highest dps. For example design fights like the current content where the boss hits like a wet noodle but needs to die fast or it will enrage, favouring your wars, whms, sams and mnks and have it drop gear for those jobs. Then also have another fight of the same difficulty level that hits hard but has very little hp, favouring high mitigation and utility jobs like your plds, schs, brds.

That way there will be content catered to every jobs strengths rather than one content that your job can do but will just be a hindrance on the group over another job.

Samurai is OK. It is the community who is wrong. They should forget the fucking meta shit and play the game. I've find a lot of samurais in EU datacenter and they can join parties in most cases. It seems the exclusion is more common in NA data center for any reason.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Samurai is OK. It is the community who is wrong. They should forget the fucking meta shit and play the game. I've find a lot of samurais in EU datacenter and they can join parties in most cases. It seems the exclusion is more common in NA data center for any reason.

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they can join, but they still decrease the odds of killing something (less raid wide dps, more mechanics to deal with, probably enrage and what not).

This is why I dislike raiders in this game. This game simply doesn't have the gaps in jobs to enforce such a tight meta. Players just keep screwing everything up; if there aren't major differences, they enlarge minor differences into major ones. And it's increasingly impossible to balance jobs to such a fine degree without making them all the same. It's going to doom this game because the devs can't tune every new job in a reasonable timeframe to make them meta-ok.

Honestly, as someone who has mained Samurai since the start of Stormblood, I don't get all this. I'm generally the highest DPS by a longshot, even with support calculated in. I find the sacrifice of utility for raw power very worth it and that the class has a unique balance in the rotations that are easy to drop and pick back up. Samurai is also a powerhouse as far as survivability with merciful eyes and good evasion moves. Honestly, all this hogwash of classes is based around killing statues with no directions. "A perfect world where the boss doesn't use AOE's". Tactics make up a chunk of DPS.

Never had anyone look down on Samurai, it's usually the opposite.

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Samurai is OK. It is the community who is wrong. They should forget the fucking meta shit and play the game. I've find a lot of samurais in EU datacenter and they can join parties in most cases. It seems the exclusion is more common in NA data center for any reason.

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*applauds*

Well said!

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Originally Posted by Xlantaa

Samurai is OK. It is the community who is wrong. They should forget the fucking meta shit and play the game. I've find a lot of samurais in EU datacenter and they can join parties in most cases. It seems the exclusion is more common in NA data center for any reason.

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You sure? Last 10 groups I was in on gilgamesh (well that same data center) 8 out of 10 groups had sams.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

they can join, but they still decrease the odds of killing something (less raid wide dps, more mechanics to deal with, probably enrage and what not).

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Just because a group has a meta setup, doesn't mean they can excute it well. Ninjas doing trick attack long after its up, DRG's using sight on wrong player, MCH not doing a lot of damage every min etc etc.
I've had groups with sam and mnk killing stuff faster than meta groups. People tend to forget for a meta group to work they need to be good players. I've been in so many primal/savage groups with meta setup and where ninja doesnt excute trick attack when it's up etc.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

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Please don't bring up manshift when speaking about BLM, the only time it's not a dps loss for us is if we use it during Umbral Ice and normally whoever needs the mana can't wait for us to finish our Astral Fire rotation. You also can't consider this "BLM utility" when both SMN and RDM have this too when it's a Role Ability.

I'm going to call BS on this. I'm a black mage, the TRUE class with no utility, and I get pugs just fine. I don't think anyone has EVER denied me a group or anything when I've joined as samurai or black mage, so I struggle to believe the legitimacy of these claims in frequent exclusion.

You are doing way more damage than everyone else in the party, right? If not, then you aren't earning your spot, which is an entirely different issue all together.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

I'm tired of it. As much as I want to enjoy my Samurai class in parties, I find myself often being excluded, removed and more just because we do nothing for the party. SMN, MNK, and even BLM can match and even outparse Samurai on damage while bringing a form of utility.

Please do something Dev Team. Please and thank you.

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Is this stigma after a certain level? I mean, I know early on we all get few buttons to press, but I've seen many videos with SAM, and even partied with them, and they can do one heck of a lot of single target DPS.