Battle Chat Parser

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Originally Posted by Astral145

Indeed its true they can harass players for not pushing out numbers but its also true that they will complain or even kick healers for not dpsing. Anyway my point is players that harass other players will continue to do so with or w/out a parser.

On the flip side im not asking for a group parser all I want is a parser just for myself so i can see if im doing my job at its fullest. Granted I wouldn't mind a group parser but at the end of the day having my own parser that gives me an accurate dps would greatly improved the player base that wants to get better. Which i believe will greatly out weigh any negative pushback.

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You cannot have a personal parse though because the 7 people in your party can have a significant impact on your dps. That if you want to make any accurate assessments is something you need to take into account. Just a personal parse is of accurate fps is meaningless.

I for example came out of a recent v1s run with 3.7k dps on my samurai

No-one can make any accurate assessments or judgements on that performance. No one can say I did well or did badly no one can say my dps should have been 4.7k or something. Essentially knowing just your dps tells you nothing at all. And for that reason a personal parser will never work

Which is why no one can say whether my recent 3.7k dps v1s run was a good result or a bad one. It's just not possible. The information is useless without anything to put it in context or explain the why.

If you think I'm wrong then tell me what my 3.7k means.

I'm not saying parsers are useless but to use them correctly requires a hell of a lot more information than just your personal fps. Because to make any accurate judgements you need to understand why your dps is what it is

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Originally Posted by Dzian

If you think I'm wrong then tell me what my 3.7k means.

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Undergeared, died, inexperienced at the fight, inexperienced at Samurai. Any or multiples of those.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

Undergeared, died, inexperienced at the fight, inexperienced at Samurai. Any or multiples of those.

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Kinda proves my point. As you said it could be any of those things or any number of other things. Or any combination of any number of things.

Just a dps number means nothing without all that other information that explains why. And that's why personal parses alone would be useless.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

Kinda proves my point. As you said it could be any of those things or any number of other things. Or any combination of any number of things.

Just a dps number means nothing without all that other information that explains why. And that's why personal parses alone would be useless.

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It's an objective measurement that you can use going forward and looking back.

You did 3.7k one week. You can get an estimate of how much of that was due to having an Astro, monk, red mage, bard, dragoon, etc.

you did 3.5k the last week. You can estimate .....

If you do 4.1k the next week, you can estimate....

Etc etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

It's an objective measurement that you can use going forward and looking back.

You did 3.7k one week. You can get an estimate of how much of that was due to having an Astro, monk, red mage, bard, dragoon, etc.

you did 3.5k the last week. You can estimate .....

If you do 4.1k the next week, you can estimate....

Etc etc etc.

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Exactly... We can use those numbers to gauge where we can improve rotations or if in need of gear/materia. We can also use those numbers to theory craft and improve your opener and sustained damage. There is a number of things you can do to improve your over all dps with a simple parser.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

Exactly... We can use those numbers to gauge where we can improve rotations or if in need of gear/materia. We can also use those numbers to theory craft and improve your opener and sustained damage. There is a number of things you can do to improve your over all dps with a simple parser.

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I don't deny that. my argument is that if you want any of those estimates to be even remotely close to accurate you need a lot more information than just your personal dps.

ACT is an absolutely amazing tool when used right and all the information it provides. hell so is fflogs when players use it correctly.

the point is you can't accurately estimate 2% of your overall dps or 10% of your dps on an add comes from having a ninja in your party for example without being able to see how often and when that ninja is using trick attack.

without all that extra information all your basically doing is plucking random numbers out of thin air.. like estimating the ast had balance up 60% of the time without any real way of knowing how accurate that is....

it creates a massive margin for error...
to make any reasonable conclusions you need so much more information than just your personal dps.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

You can get an estimate of how much of that was due to having an Astro, monk, red mage, bard, dragoon, etc.

you did 3.5k the last week. You can estimate .....

If you do 4.1k the next week, you can estimate....

Etc etc etc.

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So how much do all those jobs contribute to your personal dps?
does a bard add 4% to my dps. does a drg add 5%? ast 6%?

The Devs can easily add in all group buffs that contribute to your personal dps on a personal parser and they can add in what you contribute to your groups damage just as easily. All that information is already logged on server side. So why not use it. With that said i dont need to see every player's damage read out in the group.

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Originally Posted by Astral145

The Devs can easily add in all group buffs that contribute to your personal dps on a personal parser and they can add in what you contribute to your groups damage just as easily. All that information is already logged on server side. So why not use it. With that said i dont need to see every player's damage read out in the group.

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The moment you ask for a personal parse to add in how much other people's buffs contribute to your dps it stops becoming a personal parse. Because now you can judge the rest of your party. Trick attack only contributed 0.5% of my dps. What was the ninja doing? The bed contributed nothing what the he'll??? It's not a personal parse anymore.

The fact your asking for it to include this information kinda proves my point a personal parser wouldn't work because you need this information...

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Originally Posted by Dzian

So how much do all those jobs contribute to your personal dps?
does a bard add 4% to my dps. does a drg add 5%? ast 6%?

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A small amount of research will answer this, on an 'average' basis.

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Originally Posted by Kabooa

A small amount of research will answer this, on an 'average' basis.

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Ok so why so you need an exact dps number when your just gonna invalidate it with estimated averages...

The whole reason people want parsers is for an accurate reading of there dps. You can't give them that with estimated averages.

If players want accurate numbers they need accurate information.