To be fair, in my experience with all Blizzard (so not just WoW, but also OW and HoTS and HS and SC and anything they make really) I've seen so many people who will nitpick anything that isn't like vanilla (there are legitimate cases of feedback ignore but that's another topic) so saying stuff like "uninstall the game" is often enough a way to tell them "we're tired of the same complaints, stop playing and move on".
I'm not defending Blizzard and their ways: they can be quite scummy and i know a lot of friends who got turned off by them (I was lucky to never had issues though), but I'd say they're not the biggest evil.
Unlike, say, Konami.
But thankfully this doesn't happen in FFXIV! I mean, nobody ever bashes any criticism about the game and is told to "stop play the game if you don't like" or "unsub cause this game isn't for you", or when they constantly have to remind us that FF11 was superior and they should take more from that game instead.
That would be sillly!
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09-02-2017, 12:17 AMVoltyblast
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09-02-2017, 01:13 AMNaunetYoshi has even explicitly stated that he used WoW as inspiration for designing things in FFXIV. :P Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72
Honestly, it kind of amuses me that folk are getting bent out of shape over this guy's tweet - when the forums are FULL of people telling others to gtfo of this game for making suggestions that they feel might improve things.
I also tried to verify that tweet and find it suspicious that I cannot find it. Granted this may be due to my unfamiliarity with Twitter, but I do know that tweets are very easy to fake. -
09-02-2017, 01:20 AMSicariusSeven
Everquest, Runescape, and Ultima Online may have been the granddaddy of MMOs but WoW is the current reigning King but only because of sheer numbers. They reached their peak with Wrath but have been unable to get those numbers again ever since. WoD pissed off their playerbase and Legion ran out of steam early on. While XIV did look at WoW at one point for inspiration and Yoshi has praised the game, at this point it's Apples and Bananas.
WoW will always be WoW. FF XIV will always be FF XIV. They have similarities and are both in the same fruit salad but in the end players will always have their own tastes. I used to play WoW but not anymore. Now FF XIV is my passion. Will that last? Who knows? I know myself and a few of my friends get MMO burn out now and then but we come back to what we love. -
09-02-2017, 01:29 AMWalfanHave you even played WoW ? Or are you being a blind fanboy riding the hate bandwagon ?Quote:
Originally Posted by NinjaTaru72
WoW has done a lot of wrong but a lot of good as well. Like a far better netcode, a completely customizable interface, actually threw in the effort to fix inventory space instead of always blaming the servers... FFXIV is also really aged in terms of overall "fluidity", like the horrible interface and grating things such as having to manually dismount all the time or the sluggish movement. Coming from WoW, FFXIV always feels like you're slogging through a swamp.
It also has things to do outside of instanced content, Diadem could have actually been interesting from the start if you didn't have to commit to an instance. You know like whole zones or mini-zones with quests and reputations and other random stuff to do, like WoW does. I always have things to do in WoW when I don't want to put in too much effort, don't have too much time or if I'm waiting for a queue, it's a bit more difficult in FFXIV.
It's a true open world and doesn't have invisible walls everywhere, you can actually see and go to everything on the Broken Isles from the top of Highmountain.
I'd argue mythic raiding mechanics are also more elaborate and harder than savage, it just sucks they keep dumbing down classes.
FFXIV is also criminally limiting in terms of fun items to use beyond fireworks. No bombs I can craft, no gliders, no fun transformative items, no robot I can summon to repair and sell my trash to.
Both games need to learn from eachother, especially FFXIV which is still young and fresh and would benefit a lot from it. Unfortunetly I'm afraid they'll never be able to fix the broken infrastructure from 1.0 which is limiting them incredibly.
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09-02-2017, 01:33 AMC-croftI have yet to see an SE employee use personal or company resources tovexpress these opinions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Voltyblast
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09-02-2017, 01:44 AMNezeriusWhich is why Blizzard changed the way they handle tweets. It used to be devs using their own twitter accounts to answer questions/announce stuff, but that didn't work out well (since people couldn't differentiate between official tweets, and personal opinions.) After that, Blizzard switched to a single WoW twitter account for all its related news, and stated that the tweets from personal accounts didn't represent the company's stance. For example, Holinka (PvP lead dev) didn't get fired when he posted his own (dumb) opinions every now and then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
I'm sure some of the XIV PvP playerbase would completely agree with you regarding feedback, especially on the subject of being able to chat in the Feast. /sQuote:
Originally Posted by Pondera
Both games have good and bad points, neither game is perfect.
Perhaps not in the simple way of "just uninstall the game", but Yoshi-P himself has stated that it's okay for players to take a break to do other things/play other games, once those players feel like they've reached their goals in XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by C-croft
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09-02-2017, 01:52 AMPonderaNot my point. I'm not making commentary about their games. I'm saying that Blizzard de s have let their egos cloud their sense of good development. They are arrogant stupid jerks and I find their behavior completely detestable, and, while it may be true that that attitude tends to seep through into their games, the stuff that comes out of their mouths is far far worse. It's like they hate moneyQuote:
Originally Posted by Voltyblast
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09-02-2017, 03:39 AMVahlnirI can attest to this from personal experience. Wasn't long ago that they nearly killed WoW through sheer ego alone. To me it's amazing that they still have their jobs. It's obvious their hands are a bit tied now, they lost Blizzard millions of dollars...and millions of players to give them dollars that they'll probably never get back. Those devs are clearly salty to this day though, and it's rare that they try to hide it. XIV's dev team is a nice chance a pace in that regard. Having a team working on the game that's as passionate for it as the people who play it is a great recipe for success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pondera
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09-02-2017, 04:04 AMRemedi
Honestly it's to the point that blizzard can do w/e they want and ppl will still buy from them, that's not the case with SE where ppl will go to their throat even for a simpe hi
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09-02-2017, 04:19 AMTaleraRistainThis comes with time. WoW launched in 2004. That was 13 years ago. And it didn't start with all those things. FFXIV in its current iteration is only just 4 years old. And already there have been tweaks and improvements the way that WoW and all other MMOs improve themselves. This is still a young game and the developers are still learning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nezerius