Keepers of the Moon in MSQ

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Originally Posted by Keever

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I honestly don't want to believe this... There must be deeper reason as to why these characters are specifically a totally different clan. Either that, or I say they are design mistakes but I just doubt it. Moons and Suns are distinctly different in everyway. Think about it, if they wanted M'hahtoa to be a Seeker, why not make her a Seeker? Like.. every other Seeker. There's bound to be more that was left out.

Although I never played 1.0 I think we can chalk down the Minfillia/Lyse issue to the fact Highlander females didn't exist in 1.0. And the Devs chose not to switch them to Highlanders in 2.0. Remember how Yugiri was a "Miqo'te" in 2.x then magically became an Au Ra in 3.x..

I also don't buy the gene theory because that's like saying you have an entire white family. Straight from.. Scotland. Red hair and all that. One of the daughters marries another 100% Scottish guy, gets pregnant and when the baby is born, Michael Jordan pops out. "Ah, perfectly normal. Just genes"

That's the M tribe.. I just don't buy it <.<

Highlanders were in 1.0. Just not the female model. Similarly 1.0 didn't allow male Mi'qote or female Roegadyn to be playable, but a few showed up in quests as npcs.

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Originally Posted by BlakeWolfe

Highlanders were in 1.0. Just not the female model. Similarly 1.0 didn't allow male Mi'qote or female Roegadyn to be playable, but a few showed up in quests as npcs.

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Right, right.. that's what I meant. I should be specific.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

F'lhaminn is a Keeper. We haven't seen much from her in awhile. I wonder if there are any plans for her, though...isn't she a little....experienced?

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Level ALC from 60-70

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Originally Posted by Keever

Papalymo was a Dunesfolk (confirmed by Lorebook which mentions it several times so no error here) with a Plainsfolk appearance.

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Where does it confirm this? I own the lore book and don't recall seeing this. I thought it was confirmed that he is a Plainsfolk with a Dunesfolk name, similar to how Pipin is a Dunesfolk with a Plainsfolk name. I wanna say there is a third somewhere but I cant remember at the moment.

Even the lore for the naming conventions indicates that there are members of each clan with the other clans naming convention. And that its more common for a Plainsfolk to opt for a Dunesfolk name, since Dunesfolks are considered "wiser" and more knowledgeable. Also the lore states that more than the other races, lalafells tend to have ties to both clans.

Also as a side note Ardashir, the Anima quest giver, while he is a Hyur, he's not a Midlander like most might believe. Based on the lore book he's Far Eastern, most likeky from Radz-at-Han, and his name doesn't fit the names we've come to expect from the Far East. Though we don't know if Radz-at-Han shares its names with Othard.

Also to add to this they said they were gonna make it so you could make a member of one clan but have them look like the other. Did they ever add that?

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Originally Posted by Encyclopædia Eorzea

A man with eyes as big as his stomach, [Papalymo] enjoys the traditional cuisine of his desert people, particularly dark pretzels.

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Ardashir is from Radz-at-Han, i.e. Thavnair. That's the Near East, not the Far East. The reference to Ardashir as a "Far Eastern Hyur" is either an oversight, or otherwise "Far Eastern Hyur" is a diaspora clan which is referred to by a confusing region-specific name. I suspect the former.

We have enough examples of Hannish names to know they don't have similar language or naming schemes to Othardians. Jalzahn, Ardashir, Waoud (50-60 ALC quest antagonist) and Mulnith (Thavnairian Consulate gatekeeper) are the named Thavnairians I can think of at short notice, but there are probably a small number of others mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Keever

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You quoted what it says about Papalymo, but you didn't say where it is. The quote you gave is circumstantial at best. While I get it saying "Desert People" would make you think, Dunesfolk, it does not, it just means people of the desert. There are plenty of Hyurs, Roegadyn, and Miqo'te who are also considered "Desert People ". And for a lalafellian example, Teledji Adeledji is a Desert Person and is confirmed a Plainsfolk. Granted he has one of each for his parents, but he is a Plainsfolk. The same could be said of Papalymo.

As for Ardashir, the lore book says his father is a Far Eastern Trader, so it could be either he's mixed between Far Eastern and Near Eastern Hyurs. Or a conformation and assimilation and he's still Far Eastern but has a Near Eastern name since its where he resides/where he was born.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

While I get it saying "Desert People" would make you think, Dunesfolk, it does not, it just means people of the desert.

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Originally Posted by Dark Pretzel

A traditional Dunesfolk bread twisted into the shape of a knot and sprinkled generously with coarse-ground salt before being baked to a deep brown.

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Enough for you?

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Originally Posted by Keever

Enough for you?

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I'd like to say yes, but sadly its still circumstantial. Granted it points more in your favor though. The only thing it helps point out is that its made by the Dunesfolks(desert) as opposed to Plainsfolk(feilds). Its more like an ethnicity as a real world equivalent; like I could say traditional food of my Danish people, that doesn't mean I'm not mostly German. If anything it points more to him being mixed.

Also I just want to add I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just saying we don't have an official source thats calls him one or the other. We thought that Minfilia and Yda were Midlanders until the lorebook stated otherwise. Any sources we see either don't specify or call him a Plains because thats what he looks like. With Pipin, they specifically call him a Dunesfolk, so we know he's not a Plains with a Dunesfolk appearance.

You'll notice that the lore book does a good job of either outright stating what clan someone is or avoiding it all together. Papalymo and Urianger's bios don't specify a clan. Adding to that you'll notice no Ishgardian Elezen is labelled either. This is probably because, the devs hinted that Ishgardians are a third clan yet to ne named.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Ishgardian Elezen

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The devs have not hinted at them being an "unnamed clan".

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Originally Posted by Encyclopædia Eorzea

The ancestors of the Wildwood Elezen were displaced from their ancestral home on the plains when the Hyurans came, migrating in part to Coerthas,
where they established the nation of Ishgard, and in part to the Shroud, where they formed the nation of Gelmorra (the ancient subterranean state that predates Gridania).
Though nowadays "Wildwood" is typically used to refer to the forest-dwelling Elezen, the Elezen of Ishgard, too, share the same common ancestry. As such, Gridania and Ishgard have traditionally enjoyed close relations, with each nation readily coming to the other's aid in times of need.

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In other words, in the case of the Elezen, "Wildwood" is more of a cultural moniker than a biological distinction.