Why HP inflation is a valid concern

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

adjust tank HP, tank dps, non-tank hp and incoming damage separately

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You're presenting a quandary that has no precedent in the game we are discussing as they've never needed to change the HP scaling formula. It. Is. Not. Connected. To. AP. Its relationship with VIT is completely different.

Dragoons have had more HP than other melee jobs since ARR. By the logic this entire thread is using, the infamous runaway HP inflation should be such that, 2 expansions later, raid AoEs should be killing every melee DPS that isn't a DRG, or DRGs should be surviving said raid AoEs with thousands of HP to spare.

This is why I think removing VIT from accessories is the best thing you can do right now.

Currently, it's possible to tank every single content out of tank stance using STR accessories. Assuming your party doesn't screw up and your tanks use cooldowns appropriately, healers are more than capable of keeping up. Now for your average player, going into tank stance with STR accessories makes things a lot easier.

Tanking in tank stance with VIT accessories though? It's almost boring. There is no challenge. You don't feel any reward for doing things properly. It's like, you don't even have to use your cooldown most of the time!

Thus by replacing VIT with STR on tank accessories, it'll solve the damage scaling issues, as well as HP inflation, AND bring back the challenge that was tanking. Tanks will go back to trying to find the balance of how much they can stay out of tank stance, which I think was one of the more interesting aspects of playing a tank.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Riddle me this: How do you adjust tank HP, tank dps, non-tank hp and incoming damage separately without affecting each other if tanks dps and hp are linked on the same stat, also without screwing up the old content?

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Riddle me this: why did SE not modify our accs? Why did they not foresee and lock older accs too?

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

Riddle me this: How do you adjust tank HP, tank dps, non-tank hp and incoming damage separately without affecting each other if tanks dps and hp are linked on the same stat, also without screwing up the old content?

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Since when is anyone, SE included, concerned with old content exactly? Level/item sync goes so far above what would be considered anything less than faceroll what does it even matter? When was the last time any ARR content posed even the tiniest threat to players? Pretty much back in 2.x was relevant and never again. Likewise what heavensward content is anything but trivial? Tweaking damage slightly higher or slightly lower on already faceroll trivial content really isn't going to make one bit of difference.

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Originally Posted by Baci

Riddle me this: why did SE not modify our accs? Why did they not foresee and lock older accs too?

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It makes me believe Square-Enix released the expansion without testing it properly with actual players to see if there would be things they might have overlooked.

You miss the point, its not about Attack Power!
Its about Health Pool <--

SE said, that more VIT is bad because of HP inflation, but all gear is in VIT caped 320ilvl go check for yourself
However SE decide how much HP we have, no one said about Attack Power Inflation!

Why I am so Vocal here?!
I know it would -> inflate DPS for TANKS but SE said -> HP inflation, and not AP

They Just Lie to us, because some one made wrong decision, and now is afraid to admit it


They say to us, that if we had vit scaled for ap, then it would Inflate HP but FROM WHERE!?
all gear has Vitality CAPED! so from where?
How we could possibly get more HP, when you cant meld materia into caped gear?

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Originally Posted by BluexBird

It makes me believe Square-Enix released the expansion without testing it properly with actual players to see if there would be things they might have overlooked.

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I'm not even sure SE tested it internally. You just can't screw up balance this badly if you've done any testing.

What racks my stupid little brain is this: A tank that has been wearing full VIT for the entirety of this game's lifetime has had the content tuned to his/her HP (however poorly) and it has been growing steadily by the same rate over time with levels and gear - so, when did this sudden, legenedary "A WILD HP INFLATION HAS APPEARED" problem arise?

Its like, SE just pulled this problem out of a hat and was like "THIS! THIS is the problem" and everyone in this thread is just smiling and nodding when it was not something that anyone had ever complained about before ever, it was never a topic on any Live Letter prior to this month, I've literally never heard anyone talk about HP inflation as being a problem this game has or has ever had until the past week.

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Originally Posted by Baci

You mean like SE changed our AP Scaling back to STR which totally did not screw with low level tanks aggro?
Sorry but SE doesnt plan so far ahead. They just change/tweak some stuff and hope it works

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^This. If SE displayed anything through HW in abundance, it's a heavy lack of foresight. And I see the trend is still continuing.
Anyone could have seen the lower tank AP and the higher DPS output from DPS roles would cause aggro issues, but no one said anything because it's so obvious that we just assumed SE knew to adjust enmity values.

But apparently not, looking at the opening weeks of SB...
This a common thing with them. Maybe it's because their team is so small that things like this are overlooked. They need a bigger team, or outside help.

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Originally Posted by Baci

You mean like SE changed our AP Scaling back to STR which totally did not screw with low level tanks aggro?
Sorry but SE doesnt plan so far ahead. They just change/tweak some stuff and hope it works

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They need a test server.