Has the problem with WHM in raids fixed in SB?

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Originally Posted by Elamys

Earthly Star doesn't restore MP and Assize is instant while doing more damage. The cooldowns are the same.

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ES has more than double the healing potency though, ending up saving you the same mana in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Pentt

ES has more than double the healing potency though, ending up saving you the same mana in the long run.

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?? if it applied a hot I could understand that, but once ES goes off it's done. At most you're saving like, 2 casts of Helios per ES cast. That's far from saving you the amount of MP Assize restores.

I must live in a magical data center then.

I remember 3.0 quite well and then and now I never saw any exclusion outside of repeat classes in parties.

Never had a convo where someone said "sorry bud, need a sch not whm" when they already had an ast.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

?? if it applied a hot I could understand that, but once ES goes off it's done. At most you're saving like, 2 casts of Helios per ES cast. That's far from saving you the amount of MP Assize restores.

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2 Helios is 2880 mana. And it's still less potency then an empowered ES unless you pop Largeese.

Assize restores around 2k mana. It barely restores enough for a medica at 70.

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Originally Posted by Elamys

ED has not been changed since Heavensward, other than to remove the passive that gave it a 40 second cooldown at level...28 or whatever it was. There was no buff made to ED. There was also no buff made to Collective Unconscious, which again, requires you to have people stand in it. Plus, with the change where CU will cancel just by turning your camera/character, it's been increasingly difficult to actually get it to stay up long enough to get the HoT applied.

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I never claimed they had been buffed. That doesn't mean they're not powerful, nor that they should be ignored to pretend like AST's oGCD healing is somehow bad.

And, hey, guess what. All healers have heals that require you to stand in them (Well, for SCH it's a buff...)

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Originally Posted by Keramory

I must live in a magical data center then.

I remember 3.0 quite well and then and now I never saw any exclusion outside of repeat classes in parties.

Never had a convo where someone said "sorry bud, need a sch not whm" when they already had an ast.

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Actual 3.0 (not 3.4) saw quite a few AST exclusions and there was plenty here on the forums about it. Feel free to dive back to 2015 posts and check it out.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Actual 3.0 (not 3.4) saw quite a few ASTs exclusions and there was plenty here on the forums about it.

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Agreed, AST was pretty much out for the count when it came to very early Gordias progression as it just wasn't good enough. A1S and A2S were rough but dooable, but the first few weeks of A3S was a complete brick wall for every AST I knew at that point.

I'll respond to more comments directly later today when I get home from work but I do have one question for ASTs since I don't have a 62 AST just yet - When you pop Earthly Star, does the recast for the ability commence when you place the Star? Or does it commence after you explode the star? This is important because if it occurs after you explode the start this essentially means Earthly Star is a 70-80s CD versus Assize's 60s CD. I would argue Earthly Star from a healing perspective is slightly better than Assize if the recast begins exactly at when it's placed, but would be either equal or slightly worse if it occurs after it's detonated (much like how Draw works currently).

Assize generates approximately 2K MP and would save the WHM from casting a Medica, thus saving a total of approximately 3,880MP, I think. If you needed to cast a second Medica to approximately match Earthly Dominance, you'd end up with a MP gain of approximately 2K since the second "medica" cast would cancel out the cost saved of the first Medica. One Earthly Domination results in in a savings of approximately 2,880MP (2x Helios). Take into account that Assize's benefit will continue to grow as ilvls get higher due to it scaling with Piety too.

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I'll respond to more comments directly later today when I get home from work but I do have one question for ASTs since I don't have a 62 AST just yet - When you pop Earthly Star, does the recast for the ability commence when you place the Star?

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It starts as soon as you place the star. It will also detonate at the end of the second cycle automatically, so you can time it such that you don't need to manually detonate. (Mildly interesting but useless sidenote: The detonation command has a CD of 5s)

If you let it expire natually, ES will resume its place on your hotbar with 39s left on the countdown (assuming good latency).

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Originally Posted by Ghishlain

I'll respond to more comments directly later today when I get home from work but I do have one question for ASTs since I don't have a 62 AST just yet - When you pop Earthly Star, does the recast for the ability commence when you place the Star?

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It starts as you place the star.
Actually, if you go by this, it's more like a 50-40 second CD heal.