I leveled my healer to 70, and I finally snapped.

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Originally Posted by Kyt

Yeah this. I'm at 314 ilvl now (not running the shitty 270 str stuff) zero problems with threat, and I can safely pull 3-4 groups with a good healer.

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As I said earlier it's gear and experience. I believe most groups (outside a leaf) should be at 2/3 summoners now.

Also this is how I am parsing people...by how many summoners in the trio @ Kugane you can kill.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

Saw a tank wearing those, had about 13k less health then the tank that was in i300 gear. That's not a trivial amount of health.

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But it's a trivial amount of defense difference and a trivial situation overall unless they're getting one-shotted.

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

But it's a trivial amount of defense difference and a trivial situation overall unless they're getting one-shotted.

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Talking of: How much would a full tenacity right side bring in terms of defense over one with none? 1% less damage? 2?

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Originally Posted by Zojha

Talking of: How much would a full tenacity right side bring in terms of defense over one with none? 1% less damage? 2?

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From what I heard people tested with a set unmelded then melded all tier 6's and it was incredibly negligible.

Lets just all go fishing. Lol

Don't forget that Direct Hit was added to the game, and it's entirely probable that in big pulls, tanks are still taking a fair few direct hits, compounding the damage.

At least as AST, I dont feel like keeping the tank alive is that much of an issue. It just requires a bit more CD rotation than before. So far in dungeons, stacking double regen with Largesse allows to heal only with oGCD. Drop Earthly star when the tank stops, pop it when he drops to half, then heal with ED, then with Lady. All the while keeping gravity up. Next pull if ES is not available, wait for the tank to loose 25%hp then Lucid dreaming+CO, you'll need it since you are spamming Gravity and the 5s stun allows for 2 ticks of stacked regen. If ES is back go for it, if not Synastry, then pop 1 cure 2 every 2 Gravities. Tons of dps, you stay above 50%mp and you can still play with cards and enjoy the scenery. Im not trying to teach anything or say that it's the best way to do it, just that it's been working for me even without tomestones gear.

RIP double post

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Originally Posted by Miziliti

I don't know what is going on anymore. Maybe mobs hit harder, but I doubt it. I can't stand tanks that pull big anymore. I've never spam so much cure II/benefic II/physick in my entire FFXIV journey. Tanks are now as squishy as DPS. If old cleric stance still exist, I will never have a chance to use it because tank would just die when I start doing dps.

Tank HP 100% > I draw card/dps once > below 50% HP.

No, it's completely different than the launch of Heavensward. I only occasionally need to spam my heals and cds when tank pull big. In Stormblood, it happens all the time and I had to spam heal all the time. Two sets of mobs in one pull could already destroy my finger, which would not happen in HW. Gear isn't the issue. MSQ and dungeon drop gave enough.

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I've been telling this to every tank I've come across and they just say things like "lol you're just bad".

Biggest one I snapped on was a tank in Bardam's Mettle. He died once. ONCE, for the entire dungeon to a double mob pull (6 mobs). Of those mobs were 3 birds that hit very VERY HARD. I absolutely could not keep him alive because he refused to use cooldowns, then he has the audacity to say "don't dps if you can't keep my alive". For one I wasn't dpsing, I know when I should be dpsing and that was not one of those moments with how fast his health was slingshotting back and forth. "Oh I'm a WHM and AST main, I know how to heal." Yes you know how to heal HW dungeons, not SB. SB damage is much more damaging AND you're undergeared. Don't give me that shit.

Keep in mind this is purely for LEVELING. When you're running "outdated" gear and I'm also running "outdated" gear, it adds up.

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Originally Posted by Remilia_Nightfall

The goal of SE is clear, to me.

DPS do DPS, tanks tank, healers heal. The meta of "MOAR DPS" that reigned in HW may be long gone. I, for one, welcome the change.

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Same. I've been waiting for this for a while. There are some tweaks they can do. Tanks seem to be having some aggro issues. And AoE damage for dps seems to be down a bit. Adjusting those would still fit the roles so I don't think it's too much to ask.