Mu suggestion for SCH AOE DPS

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

This is what SCH needs in 5.0, if not sooner. It was our ultimate spell in FFXI and fits with the theme of Broil. Meltdown

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Merton for great justice.

Also Weather Control. They had that, too, though I don't think it would be as handy in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

Can't have an AoE without downscaling! That would be unfair when neither WHM/AST has one.

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Neither Assize nor Aero III downscale with multiple targets. Nor does Earthly Star presumably, just to mention it.

As far as spammable AoE it's true, I guess.

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Originally Posted by LegoTechnic

Neither Assize nor Aero III downscale with multiple targets. Nor does Earthly Star presumably, just to mention it.

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The answer to Assize is Shadow flare. The answer to Aero 3 is Bane, except Bane has a wider range. Clearly they need a downscaling spammable AoE like Holy.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

The answer to Assize is Shadow flare. The answer to Aero 3 is Bane, except Bane has a wider range. Clearly they need a downscaling spammable AoE like Holy.

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Except Bane downscales drastically, which is an interesting price for the better range despite the additional cost of an aetherflow stack.

And no, SCH doesn't need a spammable Holy-clone. It's obvious they're doing their best to homogenize the healers, especially in terms of DPS, but this shouldn't be the design direction we endorse. The classes don't all need to have cloned base abilities of one another. A simple AoE spike damage attack would fit the SCH class design of powerful abilities with robust cooldowns just as well, and could even cost a stack to keep it with the theme.

We don't need Unholy, but it wouldn't hurt to have something additional to the new versions of Bane/Shadowflare.

Bane is confirmed nerf as SMN tooltips from E3 were posted. I actually feel dirty reading it. Weakened Shadow Flare, no Miasma II, no Bio to spread, no Blizzard II and the Bane nerf. Are they being serious? Not only this, but the dumbing down of the class itself is even worse. You have turned SCH into a weak borefest, SE. Good job at potentially destroying my favourite class. I'll still level it and I still anxiously hope that it's not as bad as it seems. I really hope Stratagem is actually decent in raids.

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Originally Posted by Rawrz

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AoE wise losing blizzard II and miasma II removes smart dps choices. Right now you count each mob and ask "will this combined potency of each mob being hit, outweigh one mob being hit by a 170 potency broil?" SB sch leaves no choice. Its bane and then broil the mob with the highest hp. My suggestion to that is by giving Ruin an aoe effect via SCH only trait. Splash damage on broil is fine, but there is no "smart" choice in it ...

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Why would you make ruin AoE, only to have it replaced by broil at lvl 52? They could make ruin 2 AoE I guess, even if it has damage fall-off, but at this point, it's just complaining how it sucks so they might give AoE back with 5.0, if SCH still has a place in raids, they're not gonna give that AoE back any time soon. At least SCH still has off-sync DoTs unlike SMN, so some gameplay juggling DoTs, but WHMs actually get to do more DoT juggling now.

Simple enough. Boost Tri-Bind to 50-100 potency and make it Arcanist instead of SMN. That way both jobs have an AoE filler that replaces the loss of Blizzard II.

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Originally Posted by Vulcwen

Why would you make ruin AoE, only to have it replaced by broil at lvl 52? They could make ruin 2 AoE I guess, even if it has damage fall-off, but at this point, it's just complaining how it sucks so they might give AoE back with 5.0, if SCH still has a place in raids, they're not gonna give that AoE back any time soon. At least SCH still has off-sync DoTs unlike SMN, so some gameplay juggling DoTs, but WHMs actually get to do more DoT juggling now.

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I said to remove the trait turning ruin into broil. If they wanted to make SCHs life brokenly perfect they could aoe trait ruin and broil II could replace ruin II and be instant. Aoe is back and weave time for days. Lol

Happy broiling my fellow Scholar !