If they cursed at you or called you names, etc you CAN call a GM. I've asked someone to hold a FATE once long time ago..instead of ignoring me, or saying no, they started shouting insults (really, really bad ones) so my friends and I called a GM. Never saw the person again. But if they are quiet and just ignore you..then no there is nothing you can do. I always report when someone insults me in some manner, I am just so tired of it...especially since I am never rude.
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05-02-2017, 01:16 PMIromi
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05-02-2017, 06:28 PMSerildaThanks for being so condescending with me (I have had my zeta a long time now, and I'm starting to see why the other people were so snippy if you approached them with that attitude right out of nowhere). But the point I was trying and failed to make is that there are lots of perfectly reasonable circumstances that would lead people not to hold a FATE for you; you might well disagree with them but that won't change their mindset. I'll explain with more words in the hope that it helps reduce future clashes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizunoko
- Language. I'm guessing you shouted something like 'Please hold In Spite Of It All for me!' (insert the actual FATE name as you will, the point is the same). The thing is, if the other player was using the DE, FR or JP client the FATE's name would be completely different. Like, completely different. Hunts use similar (not always identical) names across clients and most people can figure out which one is meant because hunts are well-publicised, but FATEs? Nobody using a different client to you has any chance of figuring out which one you mean from the name alone. Please be more considerate of this - and I wish the developers would be, too, because there's a real lack of awareness with people using a dominant client language and assuming everyone else understands their unique 'Koji Fox'-isms. Even if the other players spoke good English - and there is zero reason to assume that a stranger does in a worldwide game - they still might struggle to understand if you don't consider the huge language barrier between people using different client languages with different localisation teams.
- Not everyone uses the chat box avidly while FATEing. FATEs are boring and mindless and can be won while mentally AFK if you're strong, so there's no need to pay close attention. If they're synced really low you hardly have any buttons to press on some jobs. On the flip side, weak players who are poorly geared might be really struggling to clear the FATE - the last thing they want is to fiddle around chatting or 'holding' it for some unknown period of time while someone else rides up and grabs credit without having bothered camping in the first place (being in another zone does not count as camping). They might die. Your book clear isn't worth it to them.
- No reason for them to do it. Holding the FATE for you directly inconveniences them for your personal benefit. If you don't like camping the classic way, did you try offering a reward for holding it or ask in a really polite way so they knew you were doing their best? Most people I've met in the game are very reasonable. Those who aren't usually have a price.
- Shouting is rude. Some people think this. You don't think this, and that's fine; it's a communication tool anyone can use, but that's your personal opinion and they aren't obliged to listen to people doing it any more than you're obliged to respond to tell messages from random FC recruiters or gilsellers. We're all from different cultures here. If I shouted something only relevant to me on my server and didn't immediately apologise, people would actually blacklist me. Different cultures.
It's all just my opinion, and there are clearly cultural differences here between us. But I don't think it's a bad idea to look within for improvement before confronting some strangers who were just trying to play a game then getting upset when they were jerks to you. Life's too short to pick fights over FATEs. -
05-02-2017, 07:08 PMLambdafish
People have answered but I'll throw my two cents in:
You can (and to answer your question: should) report them. If you feel the way they treated you was harassment, highlight it as such to the GMs. People say that nothing will get done, but it will give you piece of mind that you handled the situation appropriately. You will never know the outcome (and neither can we because we don't know what was said), but the system is there to be used, and if it is ignored then people will get away with more and more.
They weren't, if anything the response came across as confusion because you framed your response directly around the idea that the OP was in the wrong for being far away from a FATE. They are right that it happens all the time, sometimes you are camping two, and teleport between zones to check on different fates. The point is that that is irrelevant, the entire query that the OP has is "Was the way I was treated considered harassment enough to report?" and the answer is Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serilda
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05-02-2017, 07:28 PMAylis
The best bet from the start would have been to just move along with your business. The issue comes from when you got confrontational. While you could report them for bad insulting language, GM's will more then likely tell you to just blacklist them. The main problem though is we don't know what you said to approach the situation and GM's might look at it this way. Since its really easy to take text out of context, for what I know you could have been as nice and civil as possible. To the others you might have come off as aggressive and arrogant. GM's might look at you like you were the one to start the argument and just makes an even bigger mess. It's why it's just best to shrug things off and go along with your time.
It's what I did in 2.0, to me its better to sit and wait on one and knowing I'll get at least one done. Instead of teleporting everywhere and risk not getting any done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mizunoko
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05-02-2017, 07:29 PMSerildaSorry for being a bit rambly; I didn't think giving an answer on its own was all that helpful in the original context. It may well happen often, but it's a fact that trying to do two things at once is a risk in that you might miss out on one or the other. That's a risk the OP elected to take, and it's not the fault of the other people that the risk didn't pay off on this one occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
I forgot to mention another possibility, and that's that there's more to this other group and him than we know. If he has annoyed them for some long-forgotten reason in the past, their behaviour makes perfect sense. Not saying he has or that they were reasonable to do that, and as I said in my first post reporting people who break the rules is a logical course of action.
I'm just trying to offer ideas as to why it happened, because in most cases where people argue it's not terrifically productive to assign 100% of the blame to the other party and waltz away huffing about how awful they are without considering what really caused the fight. It's especially the case with simple cross-cultural communication issues which many people tend to be completely unaware of - if I run into a zone and say 'Hold Love Is Destiny, Destiny Is Death!' people will think I am shouting complete nonsense, not immediately interpret it as 'Hold the Just A Matter Of Rut FATE!' which is what I would have actually meant using the information my version of the game provides me. -
05-02-2017, 07:34 PMFaliandra
The amount of people in this thread missing the actual OP's point is really amazing :rolleyes:
Yes, they dont need to hold a fate for anyone. But it's nice if they do.
No, we do not know the full conversation but I can only go by what the OP tells me and refer to that.
So my opinion is: yes, you have all the rights to report that person and you should. People DO get in trouble for that.
But many think they won't get any consequences ever for just saying a few swear words because :
- many people dont bother wasting their time reporting
- they think the GMs wont take any actions
So prove them wrong and report them. If people were more consistent and report more people like that, we could definitely make a difference.
But just looking at all these "GM wont do anything anyway" replies kinda tells how some people arent even willing to do that :/ -
05-02-2017, 07:49 PMAylisTo put it like this. We know a player on our server. One who openly harassed my friends and I when we were just sitting and minding our own business. One who harassed others in multiple linkshells I'm part of. One who openly disrupted several RP events that I know about. My friends and I reported him as did many others. The response we all got from GM's was to blacklist him. The last I checked that player was still very much active. Were willing to report bad behavior, but since we been there, done that and bought the T-Shirt in situations like this. We already know what to expect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Faliandra
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05-02-2017, 07:55 PMReinhaWhile I agree with some of your other points, this one seriously confuses me. You're saying /shout is completely "banned" on your server? I have never heard of such a thing and honestly I'd be happy if such petty people would blacklist me so I never hear from them again. Shout is a zone wide channel and the appropriate use is zone wide communication between people who don't know each other's character names (and therefore can't /tell). Such as OP's situation, hunt invites, hunt location shouts, assisting with finding Odin, fate party information, LS and FC adverts, asking about a vendor location or requesting a link for a new Anima weapon. Personally I would move away from a server where sharing game information publicly and cooperating with random people in the open world is frowned upon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serilda
OP, as long as you yourself are polite it's worth it to report targeted profanities. It may not always work but if the same person gets reported by other people they could get penalties over time. The filter is there but I feel there is a difference between general swearing and calling someone names, and the latter definitely doesn't help maintain a good community. -
05-02-2017, 07:58 PMFaliandraSo you've seen him around, you say. Have you seen him every single day to be able to judge that he didnt get any suspensions at all? I mean, sometimes these things build up slowly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylis
First he mightve just gotten a warning, then a 24 hour suspension, then 48-72 hour suspension etc...a perm ban isnt just gonna happen like that .
Its also a bit hard to judge how bad it really was given that i wasnt there and you just gave me a small summary (not saying i dont believe you, i just find it hard to judge and make comparisons that way)
But I've seen people go to jail for a lot less. So it seems to work.
Then again,im on EU servers,you're from NA servers and I have heard before that NA customer service seems quite different from the EU one (not in the best way). -
05-02-2017, 08:03 PMMizunokoThis is part of the problem in my opinion. In an earlier reply i think on page 2 i spoke about how its a double edged sword that we cannot tell what action a GM took on something that is a CLEAR and OBVIOUS violation and doesn't even need to be dealt with based on circumstances due to how clear and intense the offense was. People who break ToS should not get excuses or special treatment. There are definitely situations where GM's need to be objective and simply go by the ToS, i mean isnt that why we have a ToS? But instead i'm hearing all the time about GM's either not doing their job at all or doing it in a bad way and banning people for stupid things or people who didn't actually do anything wrong. There is even video proof of these things on Youtube if you search hard enough. Due to there being no way to know if/what action the GM took we have no way to know if they are even doing their jobs or doing it right, and that in my OPINION is just a stupid way for a company to work. Usually a consumer wants to know if they are getting their service. I understand there is probably a reason we don't get to know what actions a GM took, but at the same time we somehow need to know if a GM did their job correctly when dealing with our reports. There's situations where its obvious that a GM should have banned or warned someone and not, and i think in those situations we deserve an answer from them. What you just stated is a very sad thing indeed because we pay monthly to play this game and people like me want to see our community stay respectful and not all turn to sour apples. Normally if i had any hint that a GM didn't do his job properly i would ask for a manager, but the thing is over a chat you have no control and you don't really know that a GM is going to hand you over to an actual manager. Now i'm not trying to flame at all the GM's or just point fingers at them for all these situations but i'm sure somewhere out there is a GM or two that isnt taking the job seriously or doing things correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylis