Why Can't WHM Have An Enmity Lowering Stance?

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Originally Posted by Velcan

yeah they do suck thats the point a lot of PF DRK tanks dont like tanking with WHM which is the healer with the most threat. Keep in mind this does not mean all DRKs refuse to hold aggro but if they do refuse that means they were forced to gimp themselves a bit by putting tank stance back on or by having to Dark Arts a powerslash.

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but then it's more of a Tank issue and besides, when a Tank loses Aggro to a Healer (lol) then, what are the DPS doing? focusing on Parser, asking themselvs why they don't do damage or what xD

i tank creator savage out of grit and keeping hate is very simple. dark arts power slash :p
(to be honest though if youre having aggro as whm just how bad are the dps you get that you beat them in enmity? im sorry u get these parties)

Even while DPSing like a madman, any somewhat decent tank should have no troubles holding emnity unless you're also overhealing like an idiot.

Hellluuuuuu

The real problem here: Stop using regen/medica II before a pull. Just don't.

WHM doesn't need an actual stance or persistent ability to lower enmity. All it needs is for shrouds to not only cut aggro but reduce its generation while it's up. It also needs to be extended to 24s.

I've never seen a WHM that knew what they're doing cone even close to pulling enmity from me.
It's the ones that medica II before pulls or incorrectly use SoS that have the most trouble.

So unless you have a particularly unskilled tank, some best practises should really help things.

It's the tanks. You shouldn't have to have shroud constantly off cooldown. Especially if DRKs aren't turning grit on...this is 100% the tank's fault. First and foremost, their job is to hold hate.

maybe you don't consider your HoT enmity? It was a hard lesson for me to decrease my med2 and reg spam -> this is what boosts your enmity most its not your raw burst dps...

this is also the fact why asts and schs won't run into aggro that fast whm do. ^^

edit: oh haven't seen that it was already mentioned here:

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Originally Posted by Pence

The real problem here: Stop using regen/medica II before a pull. Just don't.

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most probably this is your problem ^^

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Originally Posted by bounddreamer

It's the tanks. You shouldn't have to have shroud constantly off cooldown. Especially if DRKs aren't turning grit on...this is 100% the tank's fault. First and foremost, their job is to hold hate.

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[ irony ] no its not – tanks, like healers – are supposed to dps as much as they can and everybody has to adjust to their style! [ /irony ]

hu? Shroud is awesome... WHM don't need any enmity lowering stance.

the only time i get enmity while dpsing is when i holy spam + assize on trashpacks. but that doesn't matter, i just keep spamming holy, have the top enmity and build further enmity lead, but the mobs are stunlocked, so who cares? then popping shroud when i think it's enough holy spam and enmity goes back to the tank...

AST got the enmity lowering stance later, because AST had much more trouble with enmity than WHM ever had...