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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

You are missing the point: whatever you could make, there is a best option for DPS. And that means there is only one option.

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I would have to disagree with u, its would depend on ur party comp, u can customize for best personal dps, or spec that would increase the dps of overall party. Depending on ur party set up u can enchance ur personal dps, and not spec into skill that benefit a class thats not in ur party.

Certainly could be a lot of "bad" choices in customized options but for casual situations your options are easily drastically increased, and of course narrowed down in end game situations.. but even there you can still have SOME options. WoW has done this, to better and worse extents depending on patch and job you're talking about but at least two viable options for most jobs.

Diablo 3 I think would be a bit better for the "casual" vs "end" choices. Casually you can build whatever you want and its quite cool, of course end game you're looking at like two to three builds tops lol.

That said I can see SE having trouble offering every class multiple paths that are both viable and interesting for all jobs, since they have and will have so many. Perhaps it would be easier to add gear with neat affixes instead, double attack, TP reduction, stuff like that. Would need to change the gear ladder a little bit though.

Anyway, more options does not = 100% false choice. Stats however are pretty pointless as is, minus being forced to sacrifice or reset for Sch/Smn (which is a horrible argument to keep the stat system imo, need to revamp or remove).

I think for blackmage (and maybe all classes) it would have to be a universal set for main skills. Like for Blackmage, you could choose a buff to potency for Ice (tho fire being far superior still) or you can increase the duration of your Umbral/Astral by say...3 secs? One would be good for learning (or casual mages I guess) while the Ice buff would be basically what we have now but stronger ice skills. Same with healers and more potency vs longer ticks for HoT. Maybe some DPS could increase the time Dots stay on vs say Huton/Greased Lightning having increased timers. Just a lot they could do with it but ultimately in the end sounds like a balance nightmare for them to do.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I seriously have to wonder how many of the people saying this have actually done any fight by fight theory-crafting for themselves. I've consistently outperformed others at equal or higher item/gear levels when using so-called "non-optimal" or "shit" specs.

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Optimization does not inherently mean people will perform their job better. You can take all your stat point on Bard, toss them into STR and still blow someone away if their rotation sucks. Stats only account for so much at the moment. If they ever moved towards a skill tree system, those stats become significantly more important since it could impact things like say, making Blood for Blood have additional damage increased for less defense. If a change like that proves to be "the best" in terms of overall risk/gain, you will be expected to take it. We're already seeing it with the current meta widely shunning White Mage, Paladin and Monk. When the buffs to Astro came, White Mage clears dropped nearly 50%. That's the raid community tossing it aside because Astro is simply a better White Mage now.

In Tera online we have special glyphs, which can change the skills. And you know what? The system works and it is very nice in Tera

So, I like the idea, maybe SE will create something here

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Originally Posted by Xyno

In Tera online we have special glyphs, which can change the skills. And you know what? The system works and it is very nice in Tera

So, I like the idea, maybe SE will create something here

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Okay, but how in tune with the endgame meta are you? I remember being blown away by WoW's Talents and Glyphs. And then I actually learned how to play properly and learned there were like 2 builds tops.

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Originally Posted by dragonseth07

Okay, but how in tune with the endgame meta are you? I remember being blown away by WoW's Talents and Glyphs. And then I actually learned how to play properly and learned there were like 2 builds tops.

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Noone says, that this system must be very complicated or every skill must have many options to tune. It can be just 2-3 options and even not for every skill

For example, AoE ability. 2 options to change it- or to make more potency but the CD will be bigger or to reduce the CD, but potency will be lower

It is just a simple variant of how it can be. Of course SE can create the original system

Players can't even be trusted with their 35 stat points and melds

Piety Paladins and Int White Mages are things I have seen

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Originally Posted by Xyno

In Tera online we have special glyphs, which can change the skills. And you know what? The system works and it is very nice in Tera

So, I like the idea, maybe SE will create something here

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As someone who played a lot of Tera (alpha to about a year ago), there is only one way to allocate glyphs for each class come end game. Picking anything else is harming your DPS/healing/aggro gen and can wipe a party very easily.

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Originally Posted by Pence

Sorry, but this would be a waste for PVE. Customization never works. Someone will always find the optimal loadout and everyone will roll it. Suddenly there's no customization, just people being kicked for yet another way they can be bads.

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Well with an attitude like that....