Red Mage Gear - DoM or DoW?

Alisae showed us that a mage can fight with a sword and be a tank of sorts, so I don't see why it won't be a DoM gear.

It might have a few melee moves (like that gap closing one), but it's listed as ranged casting job

They can go the NIN route and give RDM it's own unique gear, but I'd rather they don't

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Originally Posted by myahele

but it's listed as ranged casting job

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This is for PvP queuing, end-game mechanics and lb purposes rather than gear determination. A melee/ranged hybrid and a full ranged dps would be far more effective than a melee+ranged in 4v4 PvP.

They already said it is primarily a ranged DPS. Casting spells and finishing off with melee attacks is what it does. This will fit right into the BLM/SMN gear set.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

They already said it is primarily a ranged DPS. Casting spells and finishing off with melee attacks is what it does. This will fit right into the BLM/SMN gear set.

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Sorry, Caster robes do not fit with the Red Mage's traditional leather armor Roguish Aesthetics. The Ranged DpS classification is for other purposes than gearing.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Sorry, Caster robes do not fit with the Red Mage's traditional leather armor Roguish Aesthetics. The Ranged DpS classification is for other purposes than gearing.

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Yea well big goofy looking robes don't fit a MCH well either but look at the majority of gear I get that looks like a BRD or I am going to a fancy tea party.

Red Mage is a DoM, a ranged caster. Completely confirmed by Yoshi-P. So it either gets the Casting set or SE makes a dumb decision again to make another gear set. Which we definitely do not need or the drops from chests in dungeons/raids are going to be even more miserable. Adding Scouting was bad enough.

Also why would a job that mostly casts spells be associated with STR or DEX? I think it is common sense at this point.

I will say Casting gear shared with BLM/SMN. It is obvious. I don't think will have his onw ger like melee DPS.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Ninja has magic damage through its ninjutsu and it scales off DEX?

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that's for convenience. if ninjutsu was based on int, there would be no reason to use most of the ninjutsu, cause the damage would be garbage (with nin being dex job) it's same with all the drk spells.
RDM is ranged caster, so it will use int gear, and melee skills will scale off int.

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Originally Posted by Omegakiyohime

Melee jobs already do have a higher Def stat because they are more likely to get hit by physical attacks while casters have a higher Mdef and lower defense because they are more likely to be targeted by ranged magic attacks. Drgs already have a higher def than the other melee classes. And by no mangling of logic would Drg ever need as much def as a tank. The name of the game isn't "Do not get hit". Yes, SE expects you to dodge things. However, you aren't meant to be shredded to bits after 1 hit.

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there's nothing in this game that one-shots a caster, except tank busters, and avoidable mechanics, or SMN/BLM would be screwed.
Sure there will be plenty of lolRDM that use badly timed jumps. Many raid mechanics are magic damage, so they will survive that much easier than melee too, anyway.
all the tanks/casters/healers/ranged share gear, aside from artifact stuff, so i see no reason why RDM would be different.
If it gets its own line of gear, that will just create an even bigger loot bloat.
DRG has its own line, cause more tanky gear. nin has its own line cause it's dex unlike the other melee jobs.
mostly it's just artifact armors that are role specific, and follow the theme of a particular job.

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Not necessarily. Jobs are assigned gear based on Aesthetics not main stats. This is why Rogue/Ninja uses the Rogue Aesthetics instead of Ranged (Dex), and why Lancer/Dragoon uses Maille Aesthetics and Pugilist/Monk uses Melee Aesthetics even though they are both Str based.

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is that why mnk get cowboy glams, cause ninja<>cowboy?
most gear don't look like the assigned jobs. monk/nin gear rarely fit the theme of the job; they usually look like pirates or cowboys, or share looks with ranged jobs.
in many cases mnk/drg share look as well.
and often drg looks more tanky than tanks (such as drg vs tank dreadywyrm armors)

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Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur

Sorry, Caster robes do not fit with the Red Mage's traditional leather armor Roguish Aesthetics. The Ranged DpS classification is for other purposes than gearing.

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traditionally gear didn't change your char look, but here we are, with monks looking like cowboys.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

Yea well big goofy looking robes don't fit a MCH well either but look at the majority of gear I get that looks like a BRD or I am going to a fancy tea party.

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A fair amount of that is due to pre-3.0 designs. A fair amount of the more recent gear has been designed more for the Machinist than the Bard. The "Gangster" Shire gear and the "Cowboy" Wrangler set begin good examples.

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Red Mage is a DoM, a ranged caster. Completely confirmed by Yoshi-P.

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You are completely misunderstanding what the Ranged Caster DpS designation means. That means the class will not be paired with a Summoner, Blackmage, Bard or Machinist in 4v4 PvP content, it will be targeted by mechanics that specifically target ranged dps in high-level endgame content and will use the long cast circle AoE lbs.

Yoshi-P actually made a fairly big deal about not say which Main stat the Red Mage would use during the announcement.

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So it either gets the Casting set or SE makes a dumb decision again to make another gear set. Which we definitely do not need or the drops from chests in dungeons/raids are going to be even more miserable. Adding Scouting was bad enough.

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Other option: Red Mage shares Rogue (Dex) gear with Ninja. Save for 3 sets (2 Artifact sets and the i115 crafted set), the Rogue gear is designed with a Rogue/Thief Aesthetic not a Ninja Aesthetic which perfectly fits a Fencer.

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Also why would a job that mostly casts spells be associated with STR or DEX? I think it is common sense at this point.

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The single most potent healing spell in the game right now heals (Clemency) based on Str and Vit not Mind. Main stat is pretty much meaningless right now and is a complete holdover from 1.0.

Red Mage is a Magic Fencer not a Mage despite what a fair few players lock onto.

Honestly hoping it's like ninja. The caster sets on rdm? Ewwww. Had enough of that in FFXI. Have its own gear and use INT accessories.

High Likely: Disciple of Magic with a non-INT main stat. New gear sets (something like "of Fencing"). Generic Disciple of Magic gear gets RDM main stat added to it.

Likely: Disciple of Magic with INT main stat. Shares basic gear with BLM and SMN.

Unlikely: Red MAGE being a Disciple of War.