PLEASE have some sort of balance in PotD? Introduce some sort of checkpoint system.

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Originally Posted by Antonio_Xul

Damn! It takes 9 hours to get to 180! Yeah, we need a check point. No way in Hell can I stay playing 9+ hours nonstop like that. I got things to do other than this game. I play for leisure not for torture. I want to finish POTD, but not if its like this. It's my favorite content, but I have a life outside FFXIV and can't be glued to the screen like this.

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You do realize that 1-100 is story related and the floors above that is hardcore/savage type content right? If you are too casual or not skilled enough, it was not intended for you. It has been said numerous times that this was made to be very difficult content for dedicated players.

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Originally Posted by Isala

Christ. The one source of challenge in this game outside of Savage, and people are already crying for it to be nerfed to the ground. It's SUPPOSED TO BE A CHALLENGE. The story ends at 100. They've repeatedly said that the last 100 floors were supposed to be for the more competent crowd, and everyone looking for content with story and plot could stop at 100.

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Spot on. Beat me to saying this.

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Originally Posted by Isala

Christ. The one source of challenge in this game outside of Savage, and people are already crying for it to be nerfed to the ground. It's SUPPOSED TO BE A CHALLENGE. The story ends at 100. They've repeatedly said that the last 100 floors were supposed to be for the more competent crowd, and everyone looking for content with story and plot could stop at 100.

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Yup, because not even taking into consideration that even having one ISP hiccup resulting in a possible wipe and losing all progress is totally a challenge.

There are issues that players can't control that can completely ruin a run, aside from ISP issues, both pc and ps4 players can have a system crash, windows update could cause issues for pc players, psn could go down for the 88th billion time, and even power outages, are all issues I've heard and read people dealing with inside 101+

Implying the content has no flaws within its design and having zero ways to save progress in the event things happen that players can't forsee, is down right ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

There are issues that players can't control that can completely ruin a run, aside from ISP issues, both pc and ps4 players can have a system crash, windows update could cause issues for pc players, psn could go down for the 88th billion time, and even power outages, are all issues I've heard and read people dealing with inside 101+

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Back when I was a kid and the batteries on my Game Boy ran out without me saving the game, I didn't cry. I started over again. (And yeah, it happened at pretty random times too because as a kid I didn't worry about battery life, I just wanted to play!)
I wish today's players could go back to just sucking it up instead of complaining about everything.

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Originally Posted by Jetstream_Fox

Yup, because not even taking into consideration that even having one ISP hiccup resulting in a possible wipe and losing all progress is totally a challenge.

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Yup, because SE is entirely responsible about how ISPs operate.

Look, the OP was commenting about WIPING, not dc'ing, wiping. So they full and well took that blow and didn't know that it would reset them back to a brand new saving at F51. I know the OP, and I know they check reddit where there are billions upon billion posts about how wiping at 101+ would require a new saving at 51. Let alone the fact that it was mentioned on the patch notes...

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Start from floor 1 or floor 51 with a fixed party and clear up to floor 100.
Party KO count must be zero.
Please be advised that the Party KO count will also increase in the event your party abandons the duty or logs out while inside the instance.

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So yeah, working as intended.

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Originally Posted by SilkaN

I wish today's players could go back to just sucking it up instead of complaining about everything.

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Meanwhile, I am glad that people grew up enough to realize that things can be changed for the better and are motivated to do so, even if they typically limit their actions to complaining about it.

I understand the desire for "Savage" content, but are we STILL going to just conveniently ignore the fact this stuff is still accessible as a level 17-50 sprout? How low do you guys want that "savage" entry level bar?

I'm personally fine with the lockout, But getting sent back to 1 or 51 or whatever seems like overkill in the highest degree. The only thing I can think of people really hurting for after a wipe is the Pomanders? maybe they arent 99/99? then again, wipes remove those...

You already have to "earn" floor 101+, so I fail to see the point in making you earn it every single time a 1-shot mechanic/DC/outage/etc. happens. not to mention the time limit. You earned it once. it requires a fixed party. what's wrong with starting you out on floor 101 again? isn't THAT where the "savage" starts?

I said it in the last PoTD thread and it still applies- "challenging" does NOT mean "unfair" guys. If something is this punishing and otherwise too time-consuming, less and less people will even bother- and thats a NEGATIVE.

I have a question. how is doing 50 or 100 floors in your fixed party over again because of 1 fuck up "hard"? No really. you've already done it. what's there to prove? how does removing THAT aspect, in any way, make floors 101+ any EASIER? because you can just start it again? Should we not make every progression group for Alex start over at A1 just because of a lapse in judgement on A12S?

Now I know this is content I may never reach myself. But the way I see it, Final Fantasy lacks some unfair content.
I say keep the system in place.
Square Enix wants to reach all sorts of players. This is may just be the itch for those Dark Fantasy Soul 14 players they finally decided upon, is all.

9 hours? what were you doing? o.O
if you were to just speed to 50-100 it takes roughly less than an hour, to explore said floors maybe add an extra 30m-1hr
then 100+ we did 70 floors in three hours, with exploration

9 hours seems a bit excessive.

as for the question in hand you kind of answered it yourself, the point of it is to be hard.. 1-100 are story driven which is why there is checkpoints, 100+ is the "challenge floors" of which the rewards are given due to risk, you're meant to be scared of dying, you're meant to work around the playing field to avoid dying (hence pomadors etc) and giving checkpoints to this basically kills the challenge and means people will just farm the end floors for the high tier rewards which are meant to be there for not dying.

and the "its accessible as a sprout" excuse isnt even valid, firstly you need a 4 stack premade to do 100+, secondly you are given all of your job or classes tools inside the PotD, which implies you should be learning what to press whilst in there, if anything make it so you cant do 100+ without a job stone and thirdly the 100+ floors aren't exactly "efficient" for experience.

savage was already killed this tier, atleast let us have something, i mean, it's not hard but it's something with a high risk for "high gain" factor.

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Should we not make every progression group for Alex start over at A1 just because of a lapse in judgement on A12S?

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Hey, I'd be OK with that. Sounds like a great idea! (and yes, I'm being totally serious here)

To add, with the current savage tier anyway, to get to the 2nd to 4th floor, you have to have a party leader who has already beaten the previous floor that week (so, for A12S your party leader needs to have beaten A11S). I'd actually advocate pushing that further like you said, and making it so EVERYONE has had to have beaten A11S that week to access A12S.