With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

[...] and it is also paying for the server upgrades to enable more inventory and houses. While some of the cash goes to SE as profit, a large chunk goes back into the game[...]

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[citation needed]

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

You forgot FFXI, Ultima Online, and Dark Age of Camelot. EVE you can kinda play free. You can argue WoW is F2P now if you consider EVE F2P

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There are also "f2p" games like Runescape where free membership is more like an unlimited trial, you need membership (a sub) to get access to most of the game.

Or ESO which is a hybrid buy-to-play and sub.

The day this game goes fap2play, is the day I throw in the towel. I played XI for 8 years and loved every masochistic moment of it!

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Originally Posted by Cakekizyy

It's still P2P, just someone else is giving Blizz the money.

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Technically, yes. But we, as the gamers, can play WoW without having to spend a dime on the monthly subscription.

the misplaced and faulty arrogance of people who play a mandatory sub-only game is astounding. (My game forces me to pay an additional subscription just to access the game that I paid 60 dollars for, and that makes me better than you.)

I've been playing MMOs since the 90s, and I've experienced every payment model there is.

the notion that a game having a mandatory (or you can't play the game that you paid for already)Subscription automatically makes it better than a game that doesn't is absurd.

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

the misplaced and faulty arrogance of people who play a mandatory sub-only game is astounding. (My game forces me to pay an additional subscription just to access the game that I paid 60 dollars for, and that makes me better than you.)

the notion that the Subscription is what makes the game good(and not the quality of the game itself) is absurd.

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This notion held true for a time when everyone was trying to be the next "WoW killer". F2P games have really changed since then but I think people still think of F2P in the old way. I'm still waiting for Lost Ark to come out, will really be amazing if a game like that is B2P or F2P!

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

The mogstation payed for the European data center and it is also paying for the server upgrades to enable more inventory and houses. While some of the cash goes to SE as profit, a large chunk goes back into the game. Another thing to remember, the more profitable the game is, the more Yoshi can ask of SE for us.

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Can I pull "facts" from thin air like you someday?

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

This notion held true for a time when everyone was trying to be the next "WoW killer". F2P games have really changed since then but I think people still think of F2P in the old way. I'm still waiting for Lost Ark to come out, will really be amazing if a game like that is B2P or F2P!

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my personal preference is B2P, with an Optional Subscription that offers goodies.

ESO has this business model, and I really like it.

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

my personal preference is B2P, with an Optional Subscription that offers goodies.

ESO has this business model, and I really like it.

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Guild Wars 2 also does the B2P model as well.

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Originally Posted by Blood-Aki

In other words, people want to throw money at SE and they have their bags open, over half the stuff in there could have easily been actual in game rewards, for example: the odin mount could have been a drop from the ACTUAL odin fight. .

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You never know this things wouldn't have been ingame at all maybe + Odin fight came later lol. Also ppl always complain if its not cash shop ppl complain about grind (see potd hairstyle for example) cant please them all lol

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Originally Posted by Kaurie

Having money to spend on a sub doesn't mean that you are going to be a positive member of the community.

That said, I'm all for FFXIV keeping its sub as well. My only concern is the increasing costs and frequency of stuff in the cash shop. IMO it is ridiculous that even extra retainers are in the cash shop, but since then we've seen even more ridiculous things imo.

I feel if you pay monthly, you shouldn't have added content in a cash shop. Cash shops are ways for free MMO's to make money. Subs are for those of us who want quality content without cash shops. :\

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What's stoping ppl form drop 200$ a month or 1000$ a months on a free MMO? LoL
But when it comes to a P2P you can't seem to drop 50$ in 1 month on a sub MMO you love, 2 or 3 times a year For that lil something you won't .O.o.

God forbid they add P2W....lol (BTW I'm 100% not for lol)

I know many ppl that drop more on a F2P in 1year then they do on a P2P in 5years....