Ok its about time we start figuring some of these things out NOW!

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Originally Posted by Dement

Judging from the naming convention of demicrystals (demi being the key prefix) as well as the description, I think it will be possible to desynth them from fully spiritbound weapons. Whether or not you need weapons of a specific tier (over 50, over 60, primal only) is hard to weigh in on. It would follow the same desynth game that's been ongoing but adding in an element of another system already in place which is spiritbinding.

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NAWWW BRUUHH; adding SB as a requirement would be way too cumbersome; mind you this is the lowest lvl gear the new patch offers; meaning (starter kit) for the latter upgrade in the content; all that trouble to just get 250 to then try your primal luck at 255..... not worth it IFF u have to SB as well.....not only would that take forever it would be harder since the higher the weapon the less mobs/dungs/raids that would actually add toward its spiritbinding.

Last point which is really my strongest point... go bk and read the descriptions for all the old demimateria.....all fo them say this : " A crystallized mass of residual spiritbond energies transferred to an article of weaponry or armor by ..." no SB was required then...why now??

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Originally Posted by javid

NAWWW BRUUHH; adding SB as a requirement would be way too cumbersome; mind you this is the lowest lvl gear the new patch offers; meaning (starter kit) for the latter upgrade in the content; all that trouble to just get 250 to then try your primal luck at 255..... not worth it IFF u have to SB as well.....not only would that take forever it would be harder since the higher the weapon the less mobs/dungs/raids that would actually add toward its spiritbinding.

Last point which is really my strongest point... go bk and read the descriptions for all the old demimateria.....all fo them say this : " A crystallized mass of residual spiritbond energies transferred to an article of weaponry or armor by ..." no SB was required then...why now??

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That's fair. I haven't read the previous demimateria descriptions in ages so I guess I forgot that they all said similar things.

The real question is where all the new mats will be gathered. As pointed out in the interview they stressed that gathering is important. Now where will those nodes spawn? My current guess is that diadem's revamp might be tied to the new gathering. So I expect we might have to get some frequent flyer cards. On top of that for those that are worried about some of the older mats like Scheelite, don't forget about the ixal vendors. I know I have stacked up a fair amount of oaknots. :D First of course, put together your list of what you can craft and then bum rush the marketboard. I am pretty stoked, I am going to try and put 1 up of everything (All Specs w/ full melds). (only thing slowing me down I believe will be the demicrystals, hopefully all my rav/bisEx tokens will come in handy) Once I get the ball rolling I will post up the locations of items I find. Happy hunting crafters/gatherers.

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Originally Posted by MeridaQ

The real question is where all the new mats will be gathered. As pointed out in the interview they stressed that gathering is important. Now where will those nodes spawn? My current guess is that diadem's revamp might be tiedto the new gathering. So I expect we might have to get some frequent flyer cards. On top of that for those that are worried about some of the older mats like Scheelite, don't forget about the ixal vendors. I know I have stacked up a fair amount of oaknots. :D First of course, put together your list of what you can craft and then bum rush the marketboard. I am pretty stoked, I am going to try and put 1 up of everything (All Specs w/ full melds). (only thing slowing me down I believe will be the demicrystals, hopefully all my rav/bisEx tokens will come in handy) Once I get the ball rolling I will post up the locations of items I find. Happy hunting crafters/gatherers.

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diadem seriously flopped in its introduction; but unlike other flopped systems (i.e. favor mats ) this flop we're stuck with it!! They allocated too many resources to the shear size of the area and the countless servers prioritized for diadem that has been going UNUSED but by the few bots/dedicated gatherers that use FC airships.

I agree with you that they will attempt to liven up the zone by adding a few new slots to the already existing nodes to go along with how you can now (tuesday) enter diadem as DOL! If you check the list of stones/metals/vegetation mats in patch notes it's not unlike a few of them could be found in diadem and it still be fair and encourage more ppl to play it!

My most sincere guess is given desyn has taken a noticeable role since patch 3.05; and SE is adding new 235 gear that can be farmed in Diadem; you'd have to wonder why??? Why would you be raising the lvl cap from 240 to starter-kit (crafted gear) to 250 THEN also add ANOTHER 235 raid???? My guess is DESYN!!! While of course u can always turn gear in for tokens to buy other mats i think these pieces of gear can be broken down directly for useful mats otherwise it looks like this is a lazy-man's Weeping City.......MARK MY WORDS---desynn!! Will be OP.

I shet, my desynthesis lvls are about 168 for GSM/BSM/LTW. Great, looks like I will be blowing 10-20 mil on catching up. Maybe just gonna focus on BSM for now. I haven't desynthesized anything in like 8mo. Valid point OP about the wording of past demimateria introductions. Can't sleep!!! Feels like the 1st day of school when I was a kid. XD

Even more reasons why to believe DEsyn will be playing a huge role in this patch!!!!


The following items can now be sold, desynthesized, or submitted for expert delivery missions.

Sephirot Gear Horde Gear Crafter Secondary Tools (Item level 180) Gatherer Secondary Tools (Item Level 180) Crafter Accessories (Item Level 180) Gatherer Accessories (Item Level 180) PvP Gear (Item Level 205) Lore Gear (Item Level 230) Lore Gear (Item Level 240) Midan Gear (Item Level 220) Midan Gear (Item Level 240) Midan Weapons (Item Level 245)

I'm just not seeing BSM being the cash cow people want it to be this patch. Yep, they get a lot of 250 weapons. Yep, you're going to need 5 of those Demicrystals to craft each one. Yep, these weapons will sell to glamour hounds if they look good, and people who can't handle a new Ex Trial that's supposed to be easier than Nidhogg Ex. I'd realistically expect the market to bottom out much faster for weapons that any other crafted item this patch because of Sophia. It's possible that the spread of secondaries, and 'some weapons' not receiving a WD increase for that 5 ilvl difference might make a couple crafted weapons more desirable but......it sounds like the effort to profit margin just isn't big enough, unless enough people drop BSM spec to make the rarity drive price up.
And IFF Demicrystals come from desynth, it depends on what ilvl they start at. Most people have ignored desynth completely in 3.0 since we've only been leveling it to get the same exclusive items from i220 gear that we got from desynthing i70 gear. Anyone not already above that level to get Demicrystal will probably not find it worth their interest to level for it now.

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

I'm just not seeing BSM being the cash cow people want it to be this patch. Yep, they get a lot of 250 weapons. Yep, you're going to need 5 of those Demicrystals to craft each one. Yep, these weapons will sell to glamour hounds if they look good, and people who can't handle a new Ex Trial that's supposed to be easier than Nidhogg Ex. I'd realistically expect the market to bottom out much faster for weapons that any other crafted item this patch because of Sophia. It's possible that the spread of secondaries, and 'some weapons' not receiving a WD increase for that 5 ilvl difference might make a couple crafted weapons more desirable but......it sounds like the effort to profit margin just isn't big enough, unless enough people drop BSM spec to make the rarity drive price up.
And IFF Demicrystals come from desynth, it depends on what ilvl they start at. Most people have ignored desynth completely in 3.0 since we've only been leveling it to get the same exclusive items from i220 gear that we got from desynthing i70 gear. Anyone not already above that level to get Demicrystal will probably not find it worth their interest to level for it now.

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this bleak outlook you pronounce is EXACTLY WHY THE RICH WILL GIT RICHER!! Those in position to make money from BSM will corner the market while those on the fridges will give up due to competitive advantage in spending time else where. Take for example how ppl make money off of pots b4 x3 per syn??? Those dedicated to that craft had NOO COMPETITION, IT WAS JUST TOO DAMN HARD TO FARM MATS AND ALL THAT WORK FOR 1 SYNTH?? GTFO; but....the dedicated sold it exclusively (on my server for 34k+ per; and its still around there even though syn yields tripled).

Another example; on my server although it wasn't at all popular anymore; ilv220 eikon gear still sold regularly.....220? after 240 was basically free for everyone willing to grind hunts forever.... So the difficulty curve for the causal player defeating the primal; the case where a few 255 weapons will have horrible stats; and that not just ANY BSM will be ready to pump them out on the MB; makes its most ideal for the top tier BSM

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Originally Posted by javid

this bleak outlook you pronounce is EXACTLY WHY THE RICH WILL GIT RICHER!! Those in position to make money from BSM will corner the market while those on the fridges will give up due to competitive advantage in spending time else where...... the case where a few 255 weapons will have horrible stats; and that not just ANY BSM will be ready to pump them out on the MB; makes its most ideal for the top tier BSM

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A matter of opinion I guess, to me that bleak outlook is just one logical conclusion. I foresee BSM products being the slowest moving items on the MB this patch. When I saw the specialist recipes for CUL in 3.3, I dropped that spec as fast as I could, happy to leave those profits for others. CRP does look like it will be god tier this time around, and ALC is mandatory for all the other combat gear producers, and although I'm tempted to go back to CUL, it will really depend on the difficulty of Creator Savage. Will the stat caps on the food even be attainable with less than BiS gear? SE has screwed us on that one before, lol. And will the difficulty of the content have the kinds of checks that even require supra-pots and top tier food (doubt it), or will these products primarily be for parse runs.

Not trying to intentionally be a Debbie Downer, just keeping it real and give people some extra things to thing about before changing specs to BSM. 'Course, it's only ever 1 week of red scrips away :)

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Originally Posted by HaelseMikiro

A matter of opinion I guess, to me that bleak outlook is just one logical conclusion. I foresee BSM products being the slowest moving items on the MB this patch. When I saw the specialist recipes for CUL in 3.3, I dropped that spec as fast as I could, happy to leave those profits for others. CRP does look like it will be god tier this time around, and ALC is mandatory for all the other combat gear producers, and although I'm tempted to go back to CUL, it will really depend on the difficulty of Creator Savage. Will the stat caps on the food even be attainable with less than BiS gear? SE has screwed us on that one before, lol. And will the difficulty of the content have the kinds of checks that even require supra-pots and top tier food (doubt it), or will these products primarily be for parse runs.

Not trying to intentionally be a Debbie Downer, just keeping it real and give people some extra things to thing about before changing specs to BSM. 'Course, it's only ever 1 week of red scrips away :)

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I completely agree with your latter analyze; esp the past CUL patch..... i kep cul HOPING AGAIN HOPE CUL WILL COME THRU.....and it didnt....now those 2 recipes off SPC...rip; the stats on new food will dictate if I swap it out or not myself; I have 2 crafter souls waiting for the switch(s).