Concerning the PIE buff on SCH/AST, please do not remove it.

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Originally Posted by Kerrigen

I'll reiterate here because it needs to be taken care of once and for all and we're being asked for feedback.

SCH and AST are currently the only jobs in the game that don't bring their main stat as a party bonus, and this feels like an oversight more than the devs' intent.

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I find it funny that SCH is PIE as well - as currently, SCH needs more MP less than like any other DoM.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

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If AST/AST wasn't terrible then people would be running it. Buffs make no difference as Sch/AST is a very respectable and accepted comp without a mind bonus.

No one is doing double AST, and no one smart ever will regardless of changes. Especially now that having the same class makes you get less limit break gauge. Not to mention, as I stated, you can have a scholar and have a consistent(<---important word here) buff with selene every minute. A buff that does stack with cards no less.

Also...if white mage had any problems, then why do the majority of high end raiders see white mage and scholar as the best comp? The mind buff can't be even close to the only reason.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Is there any reason they can't set it up so that

Having one healer = MND bonus
having two healers = MND + PIE bonus

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You sir, get all my likes.

Considering PIE isn't just a secondary stat, it's a bad secondary stat outside of very limited use in meeting threshholds, it wouldn't be gamebreaking to make all healers give both bonuses.

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I think many of us BLMs do need that piety buff to get over certain MP thresholds, such as an additional Fire cast or continuous cast after Blizzard 3.

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1) I think healers should have more of a say of what their healer buff should be rather than the DPS

2) if you "need" some level of piety to optimize your rotation, you should try to get it through your gear rather than have to rely on a certain job being in your party to get it. If all else fails, you'll probably be able to put some piety on your anima weapon come 3.25~

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

1) I think healers should have more of a say of what their healer buff should be rather than the DPS

2) if you "need" some level of piety to optimize your rotation, you should try to get it through your gear rather than have to rely on a certain job being in your party to get it. If all else fails, you'll probably be able to put some piety on your anima weapon come 3.25~

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Having to go out of your way/give up better alternatives VS getting it for free. Of course people will prefer the latter. :P

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Having to go out of your way/give up better alternatives VS getting it for free. Of course people will prefer the latter. :P

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Doesn't really defeat either of my points, though.

Unless you are a SCH or AST yourself, or never ever queue with random people, you cannot control when you get the PIE buff... meaning that if you really really cared enough about your BLM DPS and having *just* enough MP to squeeze in that extra Fire 1, you would make the effort to ensure that you get it no matter what your party composition happens to be. Otherwise... it says to me you don't actually care enough about your BLM DPS to go that extra mile, and I don't understand why someone with that attitude would make a thread like this.

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Is there any reason they can't set it up so that

Having one healer = MND bonus
having two healers = MND + PIE bonus

I always found it silly that SCH + AST lacks for MND buff but taking PIE away from AST + WHM isn't the solution.

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perfect solution

Sorry but as a healer, a BLM is not my concern. You can meld piety into gear or use bonus attribute points to get piety.

As a raid healer and healer main, MND party bonus >>>>>>>>>>> PIE party bonus when on SCH or AST.

I'd say your healers and/or group has bigger problems, if you require the MND buff. In fact, you most likely won't even notice it missing unless you're staring at the numbers.

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Originally Posted by ErryK

Why are you relying on a AST/SCH to give you Piety when you can meld it yourself? Let alone the fact that you virtually have an infinite MP pool.

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It's not about the mana pool being infinite, but about the max mana you can have. This has been the case since the launch of ARR, and some people did actually put a point or two into PIE so they could cast Thunder 2, I think it was, without having to wait for mana ticks. Right now, you can't even do one of the openers without PIE buff unless you're a dune lala. There is also the one idea right now to meld 2x PIE 5 onto your gear to always have mana for Thunder, if you happen to get unfavourable mana ticks, but that also requires you to have the PIE buff from party.