[3.0] Craftsmanship and Control bonus parameters will be added to Souls of the Crafte

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Originally Posted by Kakure

I enjoy being completely self-sufficient as well. I would also enjoy it if black mages were made invincible. What players enjoy is not always the same as what's good for the game.

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That's different. That would kill any sense of difficulty. That's like giving every recipe infinite durability. You're also not being included/excluded from raids because one thing requires a blm and another requires no blm. Raiding in inherently dependent on others, making an object is not.

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Originally Posted by OoglieBooglie

THERE IS NO NEED FOR PERSON A TO DEPEND ON PERSON B.

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And therein lies the problem, and what leads to an unhealthy, and boring, economy.

What you see as a problem in needing to rely on others, I see as a reason for my friend to finally level crafting, and us to be able to support each other. Before, there was no reason, for I could make it all.

Indeed, I could simply use my alts for the missing crafts. But that is not fun. Supporting each other is.

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Originally Posted by Kakure

I enjoy being completely self-sufficient as well. I would also enjoy it if black mages were made invincible. What players enjoy is not always the same as what's good for the game.

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Your comparison is very silly.

A crafter being self-sufficient was a possibility throughout 2.x and 3.0, before the introduction of specialist recipes.
This was a period of over two years, and crafting was just fine in those two years.

Black mages, on the other hand, have never been invincible for more than 2 melee hits, every 2 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Cleanse

SE has made the decision to keep their MMO an MMO and not a single player game. Even with crafting people need to climb out of their shell and work with others.

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Then they should've had a specialist system right from the release of 2.0, and not have a two year period where people could be self-sufficient, when enough effort was put into crafting.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

What you see as a problem in needing to rely on others, I see as a reason for my friend to finally level crafting, and us to be able to support each other. Before, there was no reason, for I could make it all.

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I have plenty of friends, none of them are all that interested in 2-star crafting. Should I be forcing them into crafting, just so I could be "supported" by another crafter? Surely that doesn't sound like an enjoyable experience for the one being forced into crafting.

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

I have plenty of friends, none of them are all that interested in 2-star crafting. Should I be forcing them into crafting, just so I could be "supported" by another crafter? Surely that doesn't sound like an enjoyable experience for the one being forced into crafting.

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Find new friends that are.

Otherwise, go to the market board. Why are people so afraid to spend their gil? It's been pretty pointless to make gil up until now. Spend it!

specialist is the worst idea on this game,is forcing ppl to look for others,i dont care about the stats as long as they dont lock recepies behind specialists again.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Find new friends that are.

Otherwise, go to the market board. Why are people so afraid to spend their gil? It's been pretty pointless to make gil up until now. Spend it!

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Thanks for the chuckle, but I'll stick to enjoying the game with my current friends, the ones that I've known for years.

And this might be shocking to you, but I'm a crafter because I enjoy crafting things, not because of the gil that comes with it. Spending gil on crafted items kinda defeats the point for me, as I'd rather be crafting it myself. (Which is why I have 3 characters to cover all specialists, it's just a hassle to move items between characters)

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Originally Posted by Nezerius

Thanks for the chuckle, but I'll stick to enjoying the game with my current friends, the ones that I've known for years.

And this might be shocking to you, but I'm a crafter because I enjoy crafting things, not because of the gil that comes with it. Spending gil on crafted items kinda defeats the point for me, as I'd rather be crafting it myself. (Which is why I have 3 characters to cover all specialists, it's just a hassle to move items between characters)

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Then I see this has created no issue for you. Ask them to remove that dumb limitation of not being able to mail things to your alts.

I also enjoy crafting things. Thing is, it's gotten boring when I can make everything myself. Sometimes it's nice to receive instead of giving all the time.

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Then I see this has created no issue for you. Ask them to remove that dumb limitation of not being able to mail things to your alts.

I also enjoy crafting things. Thing is, it's gotten boring when I can make everything myself. Sometimes it's nice to receive instead of giving all the time.

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Or they could just remove the dumb limitation of 3 specializations. For example, by spending red scrips to unlock additional specializations, or some other thing that'll require effort on a player's part to unlock more specializations.

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Originally Posted by FoxyAreku

We have different views of what a healthy economy is, apparently.

Specialist recipes give everyone something nice to sell and the price will never drop too much, so there's lots of gil circulating because people will sell their specialist things to buy other people's. That's a healthy economy, and it's great. Prices dropping isn't always a good thing (it never is for anyone but the buyer, actually).

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A healthy economy is one where things become affordable, eventually. This won't happen with specialist crafts. People will buddy up and form crafting communities so they don't have to pay crafting fees, while the ones crafting for the marketboard will always keep the crafter's fee on the crafts.

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Originally Posted by Lexia

That they way it should of been from the start giving specialists bonus stats otherwise besides some of the locked items there was really no reason to be a specialist.

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As one of those guys that has all specialists, yeah there is a big difference crafting the same items same gear specialist vs not specialist. But hey, free buffs!