The Mentoring Requirements... *Rant Style*

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

So if you had only a Paladin, and never touched Bard, you'd be just as well informed on what a Bard should do as you are now and know what advice to dispense if he was doing it wrong?

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Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).


ADDITION: Yes but that stuff can be grasped before 60. A level 40 can teach basic tank stances, provoking etc. A lv40 Bard can teach songs.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

That wasnt directed towards you :O. I think....

Do that and no one will do the achievements anymore. Its like coil. Make it take time? People don't do it. Thats why when they added unsynced stuff everyone jumped to get their mount

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i think i came up with the ifrit normal mode idea xD

and i meant this Dungeon Siege type achievements: "Complete 1000 instanced dungeon raids or trials". these achievements have the exact same requirement as the mentor system. and i don't think there is a second counter for how many dungeons and trials you have finished. and unsynced counts for this achievement >.>

Oh! And I just remembered this one. This has nothing to do with me but the requirements exclude all "non-Heavenswardees" as they cannot be 60. Unless I am mistaken? Is that not an issue? Surely lv50 ARR veterans can teach newer players right? No?

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Originally Posted by Toguro

Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).

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Look, Toguro, I know you just want to mentor young kids into becoming worthy opponents that you can crush.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110608160720

But if you'd been paying attention, it was the guy that leveled seven different personalities that REALLY pushed Yusuke to new limits, and that's what Square Enix is trying to enforce here.

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Originally Posted by Tint

i think i came up with the ifrit normal mode idea xD

and i meant this Dungeon Siege type achievements: "Complete 1000 instanced dungeon raids or trials". these achievements have the exact same requirement as the mentor system. and i don't think there is a second counter for how many dungeons and trials you have finished. and unsynced counts for this achievement >.>

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I think the only kinda separate achievement is the tank one. You need a Full Party. Still can be unsynced. And people went nuts when they finally added unsynced runs because they could get Kirin and Tank mounts easier.

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Originally Posted by Gunspec

Look, Toguro, I know you just want to mentor young kids into becoming worthy opponents that you can crush.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20110608160720

But if you'd been paying attention, it was the guy that leveled seven different personalities that REALLY pushed Yusuke to new limits, and that's what Square Enix is trying to enforce here.

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LOL +1

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Yes. Before I played MCH(I had to level Archer to 26 for Hawk's Eye), I had leveled Marauder and knew what they were. But before that I played DRG and knew what they were. It can be learned by being aware. Or by someone telling you(Before mentor era).

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Clearly you are a special snowflake and the game needs to bend down to your special needs to make an exception on some ridiculously easy requirement you can't be bothered to achieve.

Does this make sense to you? Because from a designer perspective, I sure as hell wouldn't trust my players to know anything about a class they haven't touched. This is mostly true for 99% of the player-base, and I seriously doubt you know the roles ins and outs if all you've played is BRD.

In short: Git gud. Being a Mentor is not for everyone, and if you can't be bothered to meet some arbitrary low requirements without going full Q_Q then you have no place being a mentor. Seriously, most of the people I know are baffled at how easy it is to become a mentor.

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Originally Posted by Kyros

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Special Snowflake..

I'm a special snowflake because I wish not to spend almost a year or 16hrs a day and level 2 jobs(you're right it is easy, I can go to Northern Thanalan and get 60[Flaw]) to 60 to be able to help people? You do realize people will do this right? Nothing stopping them. Grind grind grind they can do to become a mentor. I can start Conjurer and get WHM to 60 with no job skills and no resurrections and mentor people. That's not a flaw? Btw my original post was about the flaws. I can teach a BLM who has no idea what Fire IV is because they were in NT for a week, what Fire IV is and I never even leveled the thing. That BLM can be a mentor though.

The stuff the Gunspec listed is true mentoring.

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Originally Posted by Toguro

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Then why aren't you already doing it? Why do you *need* an in-game system to teach people? Go, find some new people, and offer help.

Your posts reek of "I want that meaningless shiny everyone else is getting, but I can't get it so I'm going to cry until I can"

The mentor system is, again, NOT for mentoring people at or near lv60. It is for people from 1-40, maybe a little higher (but mostly for those who are getting started with the game and those starting dungeons, and for helping to start their Job). Every time you bring up advanced content (lv50+ stuff) you just reinforce the suspicion that you're just after the rewards and don't understand what the system is actually for.


And yes, if I see a new person struggling or needs help, I will help them. For me, this system makes it easier for me to do.

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Originally Posted by Bixillarla

"All the healers who say "I picked healer to heal, if I wanted to DPS I'd get a DPS", well you're rekt now. Better start DPSin'."

LOL. When I am healing I do not DPS. I do have DPS classes at 60, when I am in the mood to DPS I will play my level 60 Bard or Ninja. When I am healing I am there to heal and keep people alive not DPS.

Looks like I need to get my tank to 60 if I want to mentor though.

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pls don't be a mentor