DRK vs WAR Self-Healing

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

Also, WARs will bite incessantly like a school of piranhas to discuss how they are better than DRK or PLD. Don't let that discourage you from maining DRK however. WARs are fotm right now, and a dime a dozen. Good DRKs that fully grasp the job and how to maximize it are hard to find however, and in high demand particularly as MTs.

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That is so true lol. WAR mains are probably the most annoying players in the game when it comes to their dedicated players. No other job has anywhere near as much dickwaving and condescension. And this is coming from someone who also mains WAR.

If they ever nerf WAR (not that I'd want it to happen myself) the amount of salt generated will be enough to put Morton out of business.

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Originally Posted by Callback

How does PLD compare then, with clemency on pure STR accessories?

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Clemency is at least affected by Convalescence, unlike Equilibrium, but it's not going to hit for an 12k Clemency crit on anything short of a Defiance WAR with Convalescence up, and it still takes almost 40 seconds' of mana, about 40% of your maximum mana, and over a GCD to use. And is interrupt-able. On average, mine heals regularly for 5.4kish (7.3 Conv) and crits for about 8.2k (almost 11k Conv) for my STR PLD.

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Originally Posted by Praesul

That is so true lol. WAR mains are probably the most annoying players in the game when it comes to their dedicated players. No other job has anywhere near as much dickwaving and condescension. And this is coming from someone who also mains WAR.

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:yeah but a war is not a other... as war player have you condescension with you ? are you telling every war players is the same ?
this war hate is a bad attitude, have a lot of war like this, it is a good reason to put any war in the same bag ?
discriminate someone because of the job he is playing, where is the good attitude ?

Seriously, this war hate, is going so far, just don't be crazy and stay logic... if you don't want to be as bad than a war complaining because he is first in the dps and whine to the bard and the machinist to be behind... it's a exemple but yeah the Job don't make the player... there is war doing this, but not all...
Just put someone not respectfull for other behind any job, you will get someone not respectfull.
In conclusion War Mains are not the most annoying players, annoying players is the most annoying players in the game.
Even if i want to say to the war thinking dps job is easy to take an hand on, to eventualy try to play some dps and try to get a good output.

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Originally Posted by kensatsu

In conclusion War Mains are not the most annoying players, annoying players is the most annoying players in the game.

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Indeed. But what happens when you give annoying players an undisputed valid reason to swing their annoyingness at your face ? They do it more.

XD sure, it's guess it would be annoying

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Originally Posted by Reynhart

Or..."Yes, WAR is better at self-healing but if you like DRK, keep playing DRK because you'll have much more fun playing a job you love, and parties really need good DRKs, too"

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or the thread starter just asked about it and asked for a simple answer
which is warrior is better self healing tank because it actually is, but someone make it complicated by writing a very long comment about it that in the end still points out warrior is better self healing tank anyway even though he can do it the easier way by writing simple "yes war is better self healing tank than dark knight"

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

he's very unwilling to admit it instead of writing simple "yes war is better self healing tank than dark knight"

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He totally admitted that WAR is better at self-healing

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Originally Posted by Syzygian

At any rate, they actually are not -THAT- far apart mathematically... WAR's is just better in practice. Both are still way better than PLD though.

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What he doesn't want is the OP to go "Oh, then I'll just switch my main to WAR" since he seems to like DRK.

The game is full of sheep, and if you just say "WAR is the best tank", they'll simple go WAR, no questions asked...and that's terrible.

And to be precise, OP didn't ask "Which one is better ?" but :

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Originally Posted by TheJarvisMan

My question is, how big is the gap between the two ?

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and Szygian even give numbers to give a precise answer.

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Originally Posted by konpachizaraki

or the thread starter just asked about it and asked for a simple answer
which is warrior is better self healing tank because it actually is, but someone make it complicated by writing a very long comment about it that in the end still points out warrior is better self healing tank anyway even though he can do it the easier way by writing simple "yes war is better self healing tank than dark knight"

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It's a shame you didn't take your own advice. Instead of proving Szygian's point. Control that Inner Beast of yours.

While warriors are capable of the better heals, I'd like to point out that DRKs have more consistent healing, and do not have to go through the pains of making a decision.

If a warrior wants to self-heal, they have to make the decision of getting into defiance and staying there for a good 10 seconds, use their 5 stacks, miss out on what could have been extra TP, and precious dps due to no deliverance and a missed eye/block combo. DRK doesn't have to make that much of a decision, instead it does what it usually does because self-healing is included in the package, be it from DA SE in their rotation or DA abysmal drain spam in AoE situations.

So much salt over nothing. Picking fights when there isn't one to be had.

OP asked which was better at self healing because in his mind the vision of drk was that of a more traditional blood tank that can keep them selves up and do cool solo stuff due to self heals, but questioned that assumption when wars are doing all the solo vids and 1 class challenges (8 war this. 8 war that etc). Therefore he came to forums to ask specifically about self heals.

The answer was laid out fairly plainly on page one detailing each classes heal options. War was slightly ahead of drk in self heals, but that poster forgot to mention thrill of battle (20% hp heal) and berzerk adding 45% to every other heal. These facts flatly put warrior greatly ahead 9f drk in the self heal arena. That's why there are war solo titan ex vids etc. OP question answered.

But no, now there's some fight over nothing that has nothing to do with the op or the question. That's like asking which tank has the best can't die move and everyone says hallowed ground but then someone starts a fight about how plds are full of themselves. It's ridiculous. OP asked a question. Forum gave unanimous and factual answer. The end. Check please.