to those japanese speakers...

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Originally Posted by Amiaze

in what should be a mature environment, and we should start treating it as such.

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That is true, and I do not believe everything that reads as snarky is meant that way. There have been multiple things I have said both in game and on forums that people take as me trolling and/or elitest when its a joke, me trying to be helpful or even just sad, disappointed or upset. It's in how you read something and the approach you take when you arrive. The lack of inflection and body language is a bane to the online community. It can really make you seem like a troll when you're not.

As Americans we do have more issues with things like entitlement over other areas of the world which is why I am really interested in how other areas of the world are reacting to 3.x in general. I know I am bored and am finding 3.x worse than 1.x was.

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Originally Posted by Tayolynn

So by the looks of it, Japanese players are all hunky-dory over the anima weapons and they love glamouring just as much as I do...

There should be a new sitcom in Japan, "It's Always Sunny in (JP) Eorzea." Also I further assume that FFXIV dev team is definitely ignoring the NA forums and only listen to the JP players.

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Because you don't know Japanese players, they are used to RNG, they embrace the masochism, i.e. Kancolle, 0% gameplay 100% rng, Gachapon related browser games, F/GO, all RNG as fuck, and they embrace it. They enjoy being screwed over by devs, they think it's fun. Raging from frustration is something they derive enjoyment from.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

If you look in game most people are fine with relics like myself its the vocal minority that does a lot of nay-saying and doom and gloom posts. There really isn't a problem with relics. I fully expected a grind because it was what they have done previously.

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Indeed, that was the purposeful design of the original relic chain, the point being it was a long grind to allow players not running end-game to have an avenue open to them to obtain a 'good' weapon - albeit through a long, but not difficult, grind. I'm really not sure what the hell people expected. We talk a lot about entitlement on this forum, this is one of the few times when I think it is fair to talk about a group of players having a terrible sense of entitlement.

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Originally Posted by Tayolynn

So by the looks of it, Japanese players are all hunky-dory over the anima weapons and they love glamouring just as much as I do...

There should be a new sitcom in Japan, "It's Always Sunny in (JP) Eorzea." Also I further assume that FFXIV dev team is definitely ignoring the NA forums and only listen to the JP players.

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To be fair, NA fandoms in general have a tendency to react extremely harshly. Even assuming the devs do read this section. Can anyone blame them for not listening when half the first page has threads essentially calling them idiots? There's a good way to criticise. This isn't it.

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Originally Posted by Roegadyn_Bear

While they certainly listen to the Japanese demographic more than they ever do to their American/European demographic, you also have to realize the cultural differences and attitudes between the two.

For one, they're not nearly as entitled as our demographic and when they are, they bring their point across in what could be considered a less aggressive, less whiny stance than we do.

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If you want to understand the difference, look at the work ethic of Japanese vs American. I won't get drawn into a long discussion about this here, it's off topic and just not worth it. Speaking for myself from my own experience and knowledge, the actual, real life work ethic I see in the US is very poor compared to places like the UK or Germany. To my knowledge Japanese workers have a very strong work ethic and sense of honor and duty compared to most workers in most (all?) other developed nations. I believe that you can see the impact of these cultural differences expressed both in work ethic and the level of entitlement.

TL;DR Broadly speaking Japanese players expect to have to work hard for things, American and other English speaking (in particular) western gamers do not.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

To be fair, NA fandoms in general have a tendency to react extremely harshly. Even assuming the devs do read this section. Can anyone blame them for not listening when half the first page has threads essentially calling them idiots? There's a good way to criticise. This isn't it.

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Along with the entitlement, NA (and most English speaking) fandom reacts overly harshly. There is a point of view that says we have the right to express ourselves however we want, and this being the Internet, they go for it without fear of reprisal. I've always felt that rights come with responsibilities. If you want to have a right to do something, then you need to be prepared to be held accountable, and take responsibility for, the consequences of your action.

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Originally Posted by Elizasylen

Because you don't know Japanese players, they are used to RNG, they embrace the masochism, i.e. Kancolle, 0% gameplay 100% rng, Gachapon related browser games, F/GO, all RNG as fuck, and they embrace it. They enjoy being screwed over by devs, they think it's fun. Raging from frustration is something they derive enjoyment from.

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And if you hate RNG and want something 100% skill, effort, practice based, go play a sport. In real life, there is no RNG. In video games, there is. And often in large quantities. The JP players are okay with RNG because they understand this...

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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That's funny. Last time I checked Japanese people, they don't expect to work hard, they just expect to work long (or at least clock many hours). Powernapping in Japan is also a big thing while their actual production rates are pretty average considering, not something you'd expect from 'hard workers'. Also, why are you drawing the conclusion that other English speaking western gamers do not expect to work for hard things when one sentence before that you say the US work ethic is poor compared to UK/Germany? Bit of a weird generalization there.
Nothing to say about the entitlement and emotion observations though.

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Originally Posted by AzureFlare

That's funny. Last time I checked Japanese people, they don't expect to work hard, they just expect to work long (or at least clock many hours). Powernapping in Japan is also a big thing while their actual production rates are pretty average considering, not something you'd expect from 'hard workers'. Also, why are you drawing the conclusion that other English speaking western gamers do not expect to work for hard things when one sentence before that you say the US work ethic is poor compared to UK/Germany? Bit of a weird generalization there.
Nothing to say about the entitlement and emotion observations though.

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You appear to think that all discussion and argument consists of binary points. The US work ethic is poorer than that I've seen in the UK and Germany. I've lived and worked both sides of the Atlantic, I'm speaking from my personal experience and knowledge. Your experience may vary. However, why does saying that somehow contradict the other point? In a relative sense I would place Japanese workers ahead of European ones in terms of their work ethic and efficiency, and I'd put Europe (including the UK for the most part) ahead of the USA when it comes to work ethic and efficiency Not a very popular opinion on this side of the Atlantic I am certain, we tend to view ourselves (Americans) as the best and do not tolerate dissent.

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

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And why again do you assume me to think binary when you yourself turn your TL;DR into a binary section (Japan: Work hard. West European + NA = Don't work hard. Eh?)? I'm well aware you never stated a binary scale, likewise you never stated a beyond-binary scale. And I never pointed out a 'contradiction', I merely pointed a weird generalization to make based on the information you gave. You could've just said 'Broadly speaking Japanese players expect to have to work harder for things.', but instead you pushed one unidentified score and one low score together in the '0' score segment and one high score in the '1' segment, pushing your variables into a binary identification.
Excuse me, but who's thinking binary again?

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Originally Posted by Kosmos992k

If you want to have a right to do something, then you need to be prepared to be held accountable, and take responsibility for, the consequences of your action.

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Saving this quote for future parser threads whenever someone is against dps players being held accountable.(anti-parser)