Gamer lables -- why

Those labels been around before there was FFXIV and even FFXI. You just haven't played certain MMOs to see them before then.

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Originally Posted by Souto_Nami

For example, I only have about an hour to two a day to play games. It took me about two months to beat each of the souls game but not because I lacked skill, I lacked time.

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I don't know what people like you do to have such less free time. 1 or 2 hours is not enough for me to do anything meaningful, I simply wouldn't bother.

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Originally Posted by RyuRoots

It keeps going because some people who clear difficult things want to inflate their e-peen by pretending it makes them part of some Special Cool Kid Club when in reality it just means they beat a hard thing in a video game. So they label themselves "hardcore", and anyone below their mythic status is "a casual".

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Wow, someone's projecting.

I find the hardcore label fairly limited in how useful it actually is. At most it just means you take the game seriously when it comes to performance. There's nothing wrong with not taking it seriously when the game isn't demanding that much of you, but for hard/tedious to complete goals you have to actually dedicate a part of your efforts to succeeding. That's what makes you hardcore. Most players act hardcore about things in-game in various ways at some point or another.

The problem I have with gamer labels is that they tend to be incredibly black and white with one side accepting no other interpretations. You see this alot in the parser threads, an inordinate amount of pro-parser people asserting that good players use them and those that don't aren't good players. Players come in too many flavors to quantify in a black and white manner and the whole notion of labeling only serves to make those doing the labeling out to be compensating for something.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

I don't know what people like you do to have such less free time. 1 or 2 hours is not enough for me to do anything meaningful, I simply wouldn't bother.

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It depends on what kind of work a person does and how much responsibility they have over different things. And of course, how much they care about their own well being.

Example. Wake up at 6, shower, do hair and makeup, get breakfast ready and eat it, travel to work. Work 8-16, pick up kids / go by the shop, home at ~17. Make dinner, eat it while chatting with kids. Do some quick housework and go to the gym / jogging, back by 19:30. Prepare tomorrow's work (school lesson / presentation / report etc). Chat and cuddle with spouse. Whoops time flies and it's now 21:00. That leaves 2 hours of playtime (unless spouse wants to cuddle some more...) in order to get a healthy amount of sleep. And when you have no gym for the day there's helping with kids' homework, stuff to do around the house or errands to run. Friends may want to come by. And this example doesn't even include taking care of pets or ill family members, and hanging out with the kids.

So it's a choice between either giving up gaming altogether or playing casually. To me playing casually is still more meaningful than watching tv or reading facebook, so I wouldn't completely give it up. I'm still a student so I can usually make time where I need it, but I'm not looking forward to preparing materials for 6 school years at the same time once I get a job as a teacher... D:

It's strange, I remember when I was young playing NES games was a way I made some of my friends I still have today. None of us cared how good the other person was, it was all about having fun and bonding over a common interest. In my college dorm I can recall gaming with people on my floor and even then skill level was never of any concern. I guess when the person with the other controller is not in the same room as you people just don't want to treat them like another human being. Instead you just create a label for them based on their performance.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

The problem I have with gamer labels is that they tend to be incredibly black and white with one side accepting no other interpretations. You see this alot in the parser threads, an inordinate amount of pro-parser people asserting that good players use them and those that don't aren't good players. Players come in too many flavors to quantify in a black and white manner and the whole notion of labeling only serves to make those doing the labeling out to be compensating for something.

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This is pretty much what I'm getting at, the negativity with the lables.


Thanks for the great replies btw,ut please keep it civil I don't want to see this turn into a flame fest, no one persons opinion is wrong. So please don't bicker over it.

I also find it weird people claim to not have enough time to play, in ff11 people had full time jobs, families, did other stuff infact i had a few teachers in my LS yet they all could dedicate 5 hours to ff11. What changed?

I know that off topic, but I'm curious about it.

Well, XI was a different beast. Everything in it was slower, more committed. It took hours to grind up 2-3 levels, sometimes hours to get a party to grind up levels with. You needed to have the time available if you ever wanted to get anything done. Removing the level caps in older areas helped alleviate this, as did level syncing and exp boosting consumables, but it didn't really alleviate the grind, just made it a bit more bearable. XIV, on the other hand, is faster. Much faster. It doesn't require the same time commitment as XI did. Want to level quickly, just run dungeons ad nauseaum and tada! A level in likely less than an hour. XIV's real grind comes in the form of the currencies like tomes and seals, but you only get a bonus for these once a day so most people just run the content for it's bonus and call it a day. Barely an hour spent each day.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

I also find it weird people claim to not have enough time to play, in ff11 people had full time jobs, families, did other stuff infact i had a few teachers in my LS yet they all could dedicate 5 hours to ff11. What changed?

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I could camp NMs for my LS in a separate window/screen whilst at work and use those 8hrs/day 'constructively' XD

FFXIV is a lot more busy.

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Originally Posted by Twilite

I don't know what people like you do to have such less free time. 1 or 2 hours is not enough for me to do anything meaningful, I simply wouldn't bother.

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24 (Total hours in a day)

-8 (sleep)
-9 (work)
-1 (commute)
-2 (chores: cooking, cleaning, laundry, pets, etc)
-1 (hygiene: showering, brushing teeth, etc.)
-1 (misc: because random stuff always comes up)

Remainder: 2 hours and that's not even including trying to maintain an exercise regiment or factoring in any extra social interactions such as hanging out with friends.

Would I like to play this and other games more? Yes, of course. Do I have the time for it? Most of the time, no. Real life takes precedence, as it should.