"In the current state of the game" is always the optimal disclaimer, though. Any change in the game's underworkings can make a lightly-armored tank, who makes up for the defense difference in other ways, just as viable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuwagami
I've been working up a pipedream on Templar for a while now... though as a longsword-using class for Mage Knight (Mystic Knight) and Sword Saint. Part of a sort of anti-magic ascetic religion.
Been imagining Dancer primarily as sort of a coordinating offensive support.
Dancer Tank!!!
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10-12-2015, 05:53 PMShurrikhan
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10-12-2015, 05:59 PMFreyyyShade Shift was only for physical attacks since the beginning. It was specified in the tooltip, something like "Guaranteed dodge for the next physical attack".Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
And just did the test :
http://i.imgur.com/6vvwXuC.jpg
I remembered that I dodged a lot of magical attacks when levelling MNK and still got haymaker procs. I don't know for 1.0 but since ARR dodge and miss are both the same thing. It's just that when you're the one who does the attack, you miss, but when you receive the attack, you dodge. When a 3rd person is seeing this as a spectator, you both miss eachother. -
10-12-2015, 06:37 PMShurrikhan
Ahh, I see. Thought they had combined them in display only for the convenience of separating incoming vs. external dodges/misses, not also in their procs, silently buffing dodge-counters.
That being said, just went for 6 Featherfoots against a caster mob (Water Sprite) my own level. I dodged about once per minute, with only one of these dodges over 9 minutes being during Featherfoot. Compare this with about 3 dodges per minute vs a physical attacker (Sun Leech) with 1-3 dodges per featherfoot duration, and you'll see why I consider magic to ignore dodge chance, depending instead on enemy miss chance. Seeing as raid bosses are 3 levels higher than you and have no native miss chance against you, that would, in the current state of the game, make dodges unusable as anti-magic mitigation in a raid setting. [E.g. I have never once dodged a Ramuh attack, in weeks of farming.] That was all I meant by all this. Though I thank you for the correction on misses triggering counters; I had completely forgotten that. -
10-12-2015, 06:56 PMKuwagamisure but they would need an innate ~20% damage mitigation to make up for the armor loss, even before thinking about tank stance and/or cooldowns. Or a huge ass hp pool and healing received buff. Either way, the curreny state of the game is unfriendly for any tank not in heavy armor. Could change, though most likely won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
As for the dodge thing, you have to remember that magic users have a lower accuracy cap so they can hit you more with the same level than physical monsters. Though all in all, it doesn't matter as raid mobs are overleveling you so dodging them hasn't been a thing since t4. Maybe A2, but I nevr witnessed it -
10-12-2015, 08:53 PMDererk
All I can say is with how many people are complaining that PLD dps is too weak.
If you make dancer a tank they will all change to Dancer dps too weak. -
10-13-2015, 03:40 AMArkenne
Didnt read more than the title:
Provoke:
Full Skill Rotation:
Bad Dancer Tank:
OTing around the boss:
MTing, boss PoV:
2 Dancer Tanks in one Raid party:
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10-13-2015, 10:27 PMMedicine
; -; quit making fun of the greatest class in the entire FF franchise, If they actually do release DNC I sincerely hope that it will be the same as in FFXI.
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10-13-2015, 11:16 PMFreyyyIt will not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Medicine
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10-14-2015, 11:28 AMKali-ka
No it won't be the same...but they could ALMOST copy/paste it from XI and make it work for XIV
Already has tank/dps stances in the form of Fan/Saber dance
Steps could be its raid utility debuffs.
The flourish system is basically the prototype of WAR stacks
Drain samba = bloodbath
Violent flourish = stun
Only real challenge is to implement all of the waltzes since you probably don't want them to work from TP and in XI they were instacast and uninterruptible. -
10-14-2015, 11:40 AMIsiusI kinda really want to see dancer as a tank now after seeing these gifs. xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Arkenne
...even if I don't get my bluemage tank, but still might be worth it. lol
Two Dancer tanks OP!!! New Meta!!!