Hints at Blue Mage in the level 60 ALC quest?

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

Yes, how dare he ask for a returning element from a game he loved, in a series famous for its returning elements! :P

Everyone has favorite jobs from past Final Fantasy games, its only natural to want them to return in the latest Final Fantasy. Plus, Puppetmasters are awesome :P

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My beef isn't with people who want X class to be added in, my beef is with people who jumped ship from XI and want XIV to basically be XI-2. It's not, and it's never going to be.

Personally I don't care what class(es) they add at this point; I got DRK, my favorite class ever, so I'm happy (even if it's not the traditional "burn my life to punish my enemies" DRK). I'd rather see legacy classes (Blue Mage) or more original classes (Astrologian) than something that was in XI just because it was in XI and XI veterans (fanboys / fangirls) want it, though. Just my two cents.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

... maybe. They did change DRK from "HP sacrificing melee DPS" to "MP sacrificing masochist tank," so it's not impossible but it (probably) wouldn't be the classical-style "learns versatile monster moves" BLU.

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Summoners used to be pretty versatile, too (looking at you, Eiko Carol). They could simply have Blue Mage watered down into a DPS-focused Extra Job with quests focused on tracking down monsters to learn skills from. The initial skill loadout would be hand-waved as something already recorded by the previous owner of the Soul Crystal.

But yes, your current favorite .gif applies to this entire topic pretty well.

They would have to change a lot. I have seen video footage of a Puppet master on XI and it looked stupid as shit. The entire combat system in Xi was crap...do one thing every 30 seconds and then sit there and do nothing...glad I did not play that game past level 20.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Well that's another issue with AST that I really don't understand the reasoning behind. AST has weaker healing output as some form of compensation for their ability to fulfill both the WHM and SCH role... but they can only ever fill one at a time so there is no reason for them to be given weaker heals in the first place. When in the healing stance they should heal as well as a WHM, and as well as a SCH when in the shield stance.

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Because that would flat out make AST better than WHM or SCH. Not better in the sense that in a single individual encounter they'll do better, but in the sense that they can then cherrypick whichever type of healing suits the encounter they're at, while SCH is then locked into just 50% of what AST can do. If I ran a hardcore static, in that situation I would always prefer an AST over anything else. Why take a SCH, if AST gives same party buff, has 100% equal "preventative healing" and can switch to "health healing" if the encounter calls for it?

Here's another way to look at it: if player A has i190 MNK and player B has i190 MNK and i190 SMN, wouldn't you say that B has it better, when they can choose MNK if they just want good single target damage and dragon kick, or go SMN in a fight that's not very melee friendly or has lots of AoE to do?
If this versatility is built into one class but not another, it's hard to balance.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

My beef isn't with people who want X class to be added in, my beef is with people who jumped ship from XI and want XIV to basically be XI-2. It's not, and it's never going to be.

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Hey, I'm with you there. Two separate games are two separate games, but his post didn't include anything about that. He was just talking about the possibility of a couple jobs showing up in FFXIV and you told him to (politely) shut up. You're projecting motives onto him that aren't in the post.

That said, how is a Final Fantasy fan wanting puppet master included any different than a fan wanting Blue Mage?

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Most of the classes in XI come from earlier in Final Fantasy history. The point is this isn't XI, so wanting every class from that game to make its way here makes it look like you want this to be XI-2, which it isn't.

Also AST begs to differ.]

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When you assume... Anyway, I'm not looking for ffxi-2 as you put it, and I'll reword it then. I'd love to see certain classes from FFV, preferably Bst and Blu, also Pup would be pretty cool, but the twelve forbid I cross the anti ffxi ppl. And Ast is a hybrid Corsair/healer whether you like it or not. Again, I was a die hard ffxi player, but this game does beat it in every aspect imo; and believe me I can sum that up in one command...
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Originally Posted by Eecka

Because that would flat out make AST better than WHM or SCH. Not better in the sense that in a single individual encounter they'll do better, but in the sense that they can then cherrypick whichever type of healing suits the encounter they're at, while SCH is then locked into just 50% of what AST can do. If I ran a hardcore static, in that situation I would always prefer an AST over anything else. Why take a SCH, if AST gives same party buff, has 100% equal "preventative healing" and can switch to "health healing" if the encounter calls for it?

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Well right now statics will always prefer something else over an AST because they offer nothing the other healers don't already do better.

I never said AST should be able to do everything WHM and SCH can do. I just said their healing output should be equivalent in the correct stance. As it is now ASTs are simply weak healers because a SCH or WHM has a higher output no matter what. As long as they output weaker heals/shields than a WHM or SCH they will always be unpopular.

If AST could match the actual output of WHM and SCH then you would see parties choosing healers based on their utilities, emergency cooldowns, etc. The AST wouldn't be likely to cherrypick their stance per encounter either since generally they would use the stance that replaces whichever other healer is missing.

Your example using DPS jobs is not a good comparison because within that example the current AST is player B in i100 gear, at which point player A will do more damage in any fight regardless.

How good/bad current ast is is irrelevant to my point. And yes, I know that ATM sch/whm is the go-to and ast is excluded, but the way you make it sound is that it's fine to overbuff AST and make another healer underused. The goal is balance.

I am merely stating the balancing dilemmas of a job that can do multiple roles vs a job that can do one. Your counter-argument to my DPS comparison is bad, because I never said that's how AST is now, I said that's how they will be they can 100% fulfill WHM and SCH duties.

Again answer this: if AST can do SCHing as good as a SCH, but has the added flexibility, why bring a SCH?

it might not be ffxi BUT IT IS A FINAL FANTASY people need to learn that all final fantasy jobs need to be in all final fantasy in a way

Blue mage
red mage/mysticknight
warrior
thief/nin
black mage
white mage
summoner
dark knight
geomancer

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point im trying to make all final fantasys has to have all final fantasy jobs or else its not final fantasy its just a rip game that stole a gloryise title


ps when and if blue mage is added i want it to weild whips