Collective Unconcious

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

There's a reason for that. Asylum/Sacred Soil cancel each other, while Collective Unconscious stack with both of them. They had to create a weakness, otherwise it would be too OP.

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Wait, Asy and SS cancel each other?
STOP.RIGHT.NOW.
CU is a lv58 i repeat, lv58 skill that is a weaker copy of stronger skills that you learn at lower levels. (sure it has 200 heal potency but with Asy you can throw it and keep doing your stuff, same for sacred soil) of course it has its uses (like when people are hitting bismarck you can use it and regen some mp while they do damage but...really...lv58, for that little effect, and WHM can do de same just by casting Asylum and stop doing his stuff, if something bad happens whm won't need to cancel asylum to help).
And it makes me so, SO mad that AST instead of having their unique effects and spells, receives weaker copies of their fellow healers and the only unique stuff they have is made of PURE RNG.

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

Wait, Asy and SS cancel each other?

STOP.RIGHT.NOW.

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Yes, it's in the tooltip.

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Cannot be used with any other area-creating actions.

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

Yes, it's in the tooltip.

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"used by the same caster"
AKA
sacred soil + shadow flare

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Originally Posted by Muahbec

"used by the same caster"
AKA
sacred soil + shadow flare

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No the tooltip for Asylum just says what I quoted. Also I haven't been on my SCH/SMN in a while but I don't remember those tooltips saying anything like that actually?

Read the Asylum tooltip, not the Sacred Soil one.
"Envelops a designated area in a veil of succor, healing any party members who enter.
Cure Potency: 100 Duration: 24s Cannot be used with any other area-creating actions."
Notice the "any". You can test it, if you want.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

Read the Asylum tooltip, not the Sacred Soil one.
"Envelops a designated area in a veil of succor, healing any party members who enter.
Cure Potency: 100 Duration: 24s Cannot be used with any other area-creating actions."

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AKA Asylum+sacred prism

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

No the tooltip for Asylum just says what I quoted. Also I haven't been on my SCH/SMN in a while but I don't remember those tooltips saying anything like that actually?

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Just read the other players replies, if what you're saying its true then SMNs wouldn't be able to stack their shadow flares ... and SCHs wouldn't be able to use 2 SSs at the same time (even though the effects won't stack, they're still there)

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Originally Posted by Leiloni

No the tooltip for Asylum just says what I quoted. Also I haven't been on my SCH/SMN in a while but I don't remember those tooltips saying anything like that actually?

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The tooltip for Asylum says the same thing as the tooltip for Shadowflare, which says the same thing as the tooltip from Sacred Soil.

The restriction is that any single character can only generate one 'area' effect at a time. Asylum and Sacred Soil stack just fine.

Just test it and see how your Sacred Soil will cancel the Asylum. You're misreading the tooltip and ignoring the fact that I have tested the thing. I have absolutely no interest in telling lies to make AST look good. The more SE buffs the job, the better for me, since I main it. It can receive 50% more healing potency for all I care, it will only make me more desirable in raid groups, not the opposite. However, if you don't believe me, test it yourself. Go to Idyllshire, get a WHM in your party and ask him/her to cast Asylum in a spot then cast Sacred Soil on top of it. You'll see how it vanishes. After that, get an AST and ask the WHM to cast Asylum and the AST to use collective unconscious while under the WHM's bubble. It's simple.

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Originally Posted by Crater

The tooltip for Asylum says the same thing as the tooltip for Shadowflare, which says the same thing as the tooltip from Sacred Soil.

The restriction is that any single character can only generate one 'area' effect at a time. Asylum and Sacred Soil stack just fine.

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I've read my WHM's tooltip and it doesn't say anything about "used by the same caster". Which makes sense since Asylum is the only area creating action (aka GtAoE) that a WHM has.

Edit: I haven't tested it, I'm just saying the tooltip wouldn't make sense with what you're saying.