Do you want us to specialize or not?

That's been my BIGGEST issue with FFXIV--crafting. I LOVE that it has gameplay elements in this game, but one thing I HATE is having to level all the crafters to do anything. I wouldn't mind if specializing a single craft meant you had to jump through fire and do a grind equivalent to the 2.x relic, but one thing I DON'T want to have to do is level all the crafters. It costs too much gil and time to level THAT many jobs AND be proficient in them. I'm so glad I held off on leveling crafting in 3.0, because it seems like nothing has changed which is a real shame because I was so happy to hear about the "specialization" system before the expansion came out.

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Originally Posted by Nekodar

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You've just basically proved my point. You have all crafters at 60, and all gatherers at 60. So it takes you half the time it does for me to cap gatherer scrips, and you can pick and choose the cheapest item to cap crafter scrips.

My OP was about how choosing one or two classes is punishing

How I understand it is that specialisation mean only that non-specialised crafters can't craft everything, not that 1 crafter at level 60 is all what you need. There will be (or are already) recipes that only specialised classes can craft.

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Originally Posted by Felis

How I understand it is that specialisation mean only that non-specialised crafters can't craft everything, not that 1 crafter at level 60 is all what you need. There will be (or are already) recipes that only specialised classes can craft.

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I believe specialization is still in it's infancy in terms of only the most basic of basic foundations have so far been added. I fully expect over time specializations will branch further into unique recipes for specialists and SE will continue to try and counter omni-crafting at the top end of crafting spectrum but this will take a long time. Over time I also believe SE will improve the balance on things such as script material costs and script caps etc, I am very certain a lot more recipes will be added in the coming months too. It is just a case of being patient as with any newly added content which SE always tries to address such issues following it's release.

So....whats the problem needing to rely on other crafts to provide materials? In fact, whats the problem with needing multiple jobs to do something more effectively?

You can buy the mats off AH. Putting effort in multiple crafts makes it cheaper.
You can collect red scrips. Putting effort in multiple jobs makes it faster.

Effort <=> Returns

It is a matter of perspective. (Glass half full or half empty) You are not being punished for not leveling other jobs. You are being REWARDED for leveling other jobs.
Players these days appear to want a silver spoon to feed them everything.

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Originally Posted by tymora

So....whats the problem needing to rely on other crafts to provide materials? In fact, whats the problem with needing multiple jobs to do something more effectively?

You can buy the mats off AH. Putting effort in multiple crafts makes it cheaper.
You can collect red scrips. Putting effort in multiple jobs makes it faster.

Effort <=> Returns

It is a matter of perspective. (Glass half full or half empty) You are not being punished for not leveling other jobs. You are being REWARDED for leveling other jobs.
Players these days appear to want a silver spoon to feed them everything.

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Please look into how much work goes into one single 2 star. It's as much work as a hardcore raiders week schedule.

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Originally Posted by OliviaBadger

You've just basically proved my point. You have all crafters at 60, and all gatherers at 60. So it takes you half the time it does for me to cap gatherer scrips, and you can pick and choose the cheapest item to cap crafter scrips.

My OP was about how choosing one or two classes is punishing

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Actually. I was doing only adamantite ore for turnins. I wouldn't gain 600 GP between chysal greens and the ores and didn't think of using cordials to speed things up.
Don't have any folklore books yet either.

Crafters you do however pretty much want all at 60 though.
The specializations though... Still can't figure out how to actually make use of them with or without spending blue scrips on that stuff that boosts the probability you get good condition.
Pretty sure they will be required for future high end crafting, but I'm really only interested in the looks of the gear at the moment.

i ll invest in mats next !!

the question is why choose? i means, you can level up all craft to 60 nothing it's against it.... it's more about you don't want. and there you are asking to punish people that will spend the time to level them all.

how specialization can work when getting skill from the other craft can offer more possibility and flexibility. it can't! that the whole point, force people to choice 3 jobs for get specialized skill was an error. the trouble is they try to change the game soo much for please people coming from game like WoW where it was nessecarity to choose (or you had to play an alt). now they are between two type of game and it's a mess. either they support the core mechanic of the game (1 character can do all) or they will need to change the whole game. but they can't stay like this.

but i want to say something that seems to be misunderstood. a crafter player will barely do fight, outside for gather some component, that why omnicrafting was more than welcome. by asking to tune down this you are simply denying the right to that type of player to have something for him....why that? because you are too lazy for level up other craft.... especially since now level up to 50 is extremely easy...