Mch Dps

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Originally Posted by Darkshade

I guess this wouldn't be the place to ask but I'd like to see some extended parses for MCHs claiming they're competing with other DPS. I'd love to be proven wrong, because I think the idea is great, it's just the current numbers speak ill tidings for our gun wielding friends.

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Quick question. Have you played MCH yet?

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Quick question. Have you played MCH yet?

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Only the first few levels, but that doesn't change anything regarding spreadsheet numbers at level cap.

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

Quick question. Have you played MCH yet?

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Shade is just asking for proof of some of the claims in this thread, was it really necessary to reply with something like this? It doesn't matter, I haven't leveled MCH to 60 yet, but I can still ask to see something to support the claims in this thread.

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Originally Posted by Darkshade

Generally speaking playing with competent players in Lv60 content I've never seen a MCH be anything other than last on DPS parses. :/ I highly doubt this is exclusively a player skill thing, MCH is likely in need of a buff or retooling.

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You are just playing with bad Machinists. Everytime I go mch myself or my friends they are top 2 dps. Either that other the other 2 dps are ALWAYS terrible. Either way MCH is not the worst dps

Not mine personally, I google this one... but here's an Alex3 parse from 10 days ago. That 944 dps over 7+ min... (Parse is unmerged, need to add turret if you look a bit down in the parse)

http://i.imgur.com/MmC98sK.png

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Originally Posted by LunaMana

Not mine personally (I'm at work) but here's an Alex3 parse from 10 days ago by
/u/admiralsakazuki

That 944 dps over 7+ min... (Parse is unmerged, need to add turret if you look a bit down in the parse)

http://i.imgur.com/MmC98sK.png

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Nice :) I haven't gotten that high yet on that fight but still makes the point MCH is not bad, its just bad players. Sure it could use tweaks though.

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Originally Posted by LunaMana

Mch is not as easy as 1-2-3... It's easy to mess up, and you get punished (lost dps) hard for making mistakes. (And if you had a lot of lag making the procs show up after / roughly same time as the GCD I feel sorry for you, truly. My heart goes out to you 'Straya...)

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As angry as it'd make blms everywhere, they should let the enhanced slug shot stack to 2. Or give it the full blm treatment with a 2.5s split shot, where you will get wasted procs, but you're balanced around it. As it is it's super, super micro, but at the same time I don't know if I'm doing right trying to micro. Does latency + the moment it takes to register the proc in my head cost me gcds? I have no idea. And I wish I didn't have to deal with it either way. I end up doing weird stuff to try and dodge the mechanic, like tossing in a split shot when I have a clean shot proc, because I know I can follow with the clean shot and if slug shot procced I can use it after.

Getting rid of gauss/wm works too, one second to catch a proc is rough, 2.5 is plenty. It doesn't even fulfill it's original purpose anymore of choosing between damage and mobility, because you can toggle it on and off with relative ease. And mch is pretty mobile anyway even WITH it up because procs and feint(Although granted feint is probably a bug/oversight).

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Originally Posted by RazeLandale

Does latency + the moment it takes to register the proc in my head cost me gcds? I have no idea.

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You know how you can queue up skill a bit before the GCD so you counter a bi tthe effect of latency... For a friend of mine, his latency is bad enough that by the time the procs lights the icon up, he's already queued the next shot. So he has to stance dance because in GB he's losing procs.

Now, if GB made it so you could stack shot procs to 2.... Not only would it help with latency... but I am dreaming about wonderful wildfires lol.

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Originally Posted by LunaMana

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Delete that before you get the ban hammer. You can't post parse on Official forums.

MCH dps is great. Just look up and ask someone for help with your rotation. My static has one. His numbers are't as good as LunaMana but they are pretty decent.