Blue Gatherer Scrips

for NQ gear try this to collect the lvl 56 items, its only a ~50% chance for 1 collect but thats all you get with low gear:
Requirements are lvl 55/54 NQ left side gear + primary tool(bought from the churning mists-moghome), 53 NQ secondary tool (quest reward), 400 GP, no melds, no food -it doesnt get cheaper than this
I should mention that i tested this at lvl 60 and im not exactly sure if this changes the perception requirements
Rotation:
1: Impulsive Appraisal (30% chance to get the Discerning Eye Buff which counts for Impulsive Appraisal and the following Appraisal skill! )
2: Impulsive Appraisal - if you didnt get Discerning Eye at least once by now then you can stop here and must try again next time :(
3: Utmost Caution + Methodical Appraisal
4a: Utmost Caution + Discerning Eye + Methodical Appraisal
or 4b: Utmost Caution + Single Mind (lvl 57) + Methodical Appraisal - in the rare case that your collectability is 364+ after step 3 (means u got the DE buff from both Impulsive Appraisals), you can collect twice then!

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Originally Posted by Callinon

I'll come back at 59 and let you know how that went.

Right now this system feels kinda bait-and-switchy. Hopefully it gets better.

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It didn't get better.

So I'm 60 now... bought the NQ mainhand, bought NQ offhand at 59, was able to pick up level 60 NQ head and hands. Everything else was either HQ only or the NQ cost as much as the HQ. In either case the available piece was beyond my ability to purchase it.

Currently sitting at:
Gathering 492
Perception 493
GP 575

Just tried for the lowest level scrip item for the day (light kidney ore) with perception/gp food........444 collectability was the best I could scrape. This is lower than the required level of 450 to obtain scrip from the LOWEST LEVEL ITEM.

So I think my earlier position stands at this point.. the scrip system was intended, or at least it was stated, to be an alternative to purchasing expensive gear or expensive melds from the MB. It has failed. Badly. I cannot obtain scrip WITHOUT expensive gear and/or expensive melds. So the thing that's supposed to be an alternative to doing that, requires that in order to do it. Epic fail.

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Originally Posted by Zorlinta

Sad heard you had troubles on that.

As fisher the only trouble i have was getting the gobling jig lure & get into a good pool to can fish because i was low on MSQ compared to my fisher level.

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I suspected as much. Fishers tend to forget that fishing and botanist/mining work quite differently.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

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Seeing as I managed to grab the full Trailblazer set by using the MH from Helix, the OH from Matoya's Cave, the left-hand armor pieces from Moghome and old, un-melded, electrum/raptorskin accessories (though in hindsight I don't know why I didn't meld these with some cheap grade 1 perception materia) and some cheap food from the vendor in Ishgard you may want to start entertaining the notion that the fault lies with you, not the design.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

Seeing as I managed to grab the full Trailblazer set by using the MH from Helix, the OH from Matoya's Cave, the left-hand armor pieces from Moghome and old, un-melded, electrum/raptorskin accessories (though in hindsight I don't know why I didn't meld these with some cheap grade 1 perception materia) and some cheap food from the vendor in Ishgard you may want to start entertaining the notion that the fault lies with you, not the design.

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Perhaps you should consider reading the other posts in this thread. The ones with actual facts.

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Originally Posted by Callinon

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Could you post me the rotation you used?


It should be:

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Discerning Eye, Methodical, Discerning Eye, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical, Utmost Caution, Methodical

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This will give you a 500% multiplier, higher then the other suggested rotations. It requires 600GP to use. However, as long as you can hit your normal meth for 90 or more, it will give you the 450 total rarity you need.

488 perception gives 98 on a meth hit if mining light kidney ore, so your current perception should be enough.

i posted you how to do it with full <= lvl 55 NQ gear and 400 GP with a 50% chance to collect 1 item (and 10% chance to collect 2).
if you want a 100% chance to collect 1 item then i know for sure that u can do it with NQ leftside Gear + HQ 55/56 tools and only 400GP, cause thats when i gathered my 58 scrip gear.
If you are slightly below 450 collectability then why dont you meld some cheap perception materia? You only need enough perception so that your MA increases collectability by 100.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Perhaps you should consider reading the other posts in this thread. The ones with actual facts.

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I have read the thread, your facts are fictional.
The gear I listed + vendor food for less than 400gil per use gives 487 perception.
487 perception is enough to get 450+ on a 57 node.
It requires the use of Instinctual or Impulsive Appraisal and a little bit of luck but you only need it to happen three times before you get a solid perception boost from a scrip item.
Also, a lot of much better perception food is dirt cheap on the market right now because there's tons from questing rewards that people just throw up, it isn't needed
but if it's there for cheaps you might as well.

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)

You dont even have any number on how much perception is needed, nor meth hits, nor well; any data really.
And you call my claims fictional? xD
For that matter you havent even posted a rotation for the OP to use.



I did not mention instinctual for a reason. For a reason that anyone else that actually mines these on a regular basis does not:
It's RNG. After several dozen uses it gave me towards the 0.8 end far more then towards the 1.5 end. As such it shouldnt be advised as a means to obtain minimum collectibility ratings. Because theres no telling if it will actually work.


Fun fact: the best rotation for obtaining Dawnborne from Ephemerals requires using a Impulsive before any abilities. Yet interesting enough despite its 30% chance its entirely possible to hit 12 nodes without it procing on (first) hit. Because its an RNG based ability.



So please do not advise using abilities that are 100% RNG on whether or not they work. No, if they do work it doesnt mean you are ''more skillfull at using your abilities'', only that RNGesus smiled upon you.

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Originally Posted by Seeri

If you're going to throw out an attitude, at least make sure you're right.

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I thought it was hard to argue facts. Guess I underestimate people, huh.
If you wish to do that tho, I do believe the general forums are more suited for arguing facts. In these sub forums we value information and helping people.

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Originally Posted by Aeyis

Okay. Next time I take the time to buy the items in question, write down their stats total; use the best rotations, and write down how much meth hit for; I'll be sure to do it right.
As, clearly you've done the same, only properly. (we can see this from your excellent data)

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486 is 96 with meth on light kidney.

clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
meth = 96 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
uc + de + instinctual = max of 216 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 500 GP used)
Gives two collection attempts. Lower chance of successfully reaching 450+ than Impulsive use.

clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
Imp that procs = 129 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
uc + meth (with free DE) = 144 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
uc + meth = 96 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual

In case first Imp does not proc it would look like this:
clear rubble manually (1/6 gathering attempts used, 0/30 wear, 0 GP used)
Imp = 86 (2/6 gathering attempts used, 10/30 wear, 0 GP used)
uc + imp that procs = 129 (3/6 gathering attempts used, 15/30 wear, 100 GP used)
uc + meth (with free de) = 144 (4/6 gathering attempts used, 20/30 wear, 200 GP used)
de + meth = 144 (5/6 gathering attempts used, 30/30 wear, 400 GP used)
Gives one collection attempt. Higher chance of getting 450+ than instinctual, about 50/50 actually.

Potential of 450+ in both cases.
But please, feel free to keep sharing facts about how it's impossible. You also can't expect a certainty of getting 450 if you're doing it in trashbags for gear, how entitled are you? really?
The actual reason you didn't include it is either because it makes you wrong, which you are by the way, or because you didn't actually think of it. "Impossible" means impossible, it doesn't mean "less than a 100% chance". Yes, you can fail 12 times in a row, you can also get the proc 12 times in a row, it is not an argument. Telling people it can't be done is not helpful in any way, it's totally doable and you only need to luck out three times to get your first upgrade which makes subsequent upgrades easier.

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But seriously, whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good man.
I'm out.