First off you are wrong about Skill speed sure back in ARR Det and Crit were the most important stats but higher skill speed builds with crafted sets allowed for 430-450 det 480-530crit and 440-460+ skill speed and in doing so we monks could have a smoother rotation and use fracture with less error in dropping Dragon Kick, not to mention in real fights with downtime we could with that teeny bit of extra Gcd sometimes save Greased lightning 3 where as someone with the no skill speed is more likely to not be able to save it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mugetsu13
In case you didnt know they lowered how Skill speed affects everyones Gcd so 500 skill speed will not have you draining tp in 2mins flat like it did in ARR ( I just wish we knew what monk's stat weights were in HW)
Now on to you next comment you should not be stacking Meditation into your rotation ever (unless you really need tp) only time you should be stacking meditation is when there is down time and thats only if you know you will lose Greased Lightning 3 and will have enough time to cycle thru form shift in time for when the target becomes a target again.
Now for your A4 parse 790 isnt bad but monks can pull alot higher than that i myself have pulled a 1050 and 1020 in just the past few days and there are monks on this forum that have done even more than me some reaching 1100+.
I would assume because you are weaving in meditation stacks inbetween your moves you are losing alot of dps and that would explain why your numbers are maybe lower than you realise.
Think about it everytime stack med you are wasting a gcd/move x5 even monks weakest move twin snakes is a 140 pot x5 still adds up to more potency than Forbbiden Chakra.
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07-14-2015, 11:35 PMVictorixvii
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07-15-2015, 01:13 AMMiruWest
I get the feeling MNKs are going to start scaling insanely as we get more crit. Yes all DPS crit but no other job has a auto crit every 5-6 GCDs. Not to mention our crit increase with IR. Even with DRG holding the top spot for DPS atm I strongly think MNK will rise to the top again. Can't wait to see the gear options with Esoteric/ Savage gear.
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07-15-2015, 01:45 AMHakmaticMonks got a long way to go. Drg is beating monk alone. Now lets add disembowel and battle litany too that. Now they are destroying monk. Pretty much the same situatiom for ninja to monk. Similiar numbers yet ninja has goad, trick and agro control which all lead to increased raid dps. Monks are going have to scale really really high to beat the other melees in dps.Quote:
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So even if monk beats them alone, they still dont have more dps because of the raid dps the other two bring. Also good to have hope either way tho! -
07-15-2015, 01:55 AMLeozhontaiI out dps every dragoon I played with and im the top dps in my fc...I played monk since launch and it is the only class I played with. I personally think Monk seperate good players from the bad and lazy. So I disagree when people say monk dps cant keep up with other classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hakmatic
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07-15-2015, 02:30 AMMiruWest
@Hakmatic so even if we do come up to DRG lvl DPS it still want be enough due to utility in Mantra/DK just isn't enough? Understandable.
@Leozhan not downing your skill or anything but there's no way anything but another DRG will beat a DRG. This is all in terms of competent DPS who know the fights thru and thru. Like I said nothing against your skill but it does leave me to question the skill of DRGs you group with. -
07-15-2015, 03:24 AMZamiitop tier DRG can do ~100 more dps than top tier monks right now in dummy-esk fights, now then, add to that disembowl, which we can give another 100 dps to since its increasing your bard or machinists dps by roughly that much, add to that battle litany and it becomes even more obsurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by MiruWest
lets say battle litany gives the dps an extra 30 dps each, and the tanks an extra 20 dps each, even discounting healer dps, battle litany is an extra 160 dps just from that.
drg is effectively outputting an extra 360 dps over monks right now, roughly 33% more than a monk -
07-15-2015, 03:32 AMncx24
finally someone who understands something about dps... i sell ravanas as a monk so fights usually end up longer than usual, but to give you some #s my best run was 893 dps at 7 mins 30seconds, literally playing perfectly with food no pot, i got every FC,TK and even got lucky and crit 3x times with that as well as hitting multiple butteflies + ravana with elixir field + howling fist, and thats the dps i got, on the other hand a goon friend who got hit with the slow, and not esunaed managed to get 930+ dps... so let me ask you why the hell do i need to play perfectly to do less dps than someone who can mess up? and if youre wondering yes, i saved all FCs for attack stance (all the ones that needed to be saved at least)
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07-15-2015, 04:09 AMMiruWest
I think it's more just how the DRG class is setup atm. They get a 290 potency skill every 4th combo given they hit the positional. That on top of the flat damage buff for the Jumps just puts them ahead. Where as NIN can do Raiton what twice in a min? That's if your not getting crapped on by mudra lag then it's Fuma. MNK truly only got EF every 30 secs since FC is maybe once or twice a fight?
DRG just have more constant damage vs all the other melee who have timers on there damage.
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07-15-2015, 05:10 AMMugetsu13Well first off I would like to point out that i'm not in fact i184 like most (yourself probably included) are, I'm sitting 10 under at i174 so naturally most other monks will parse for higher comparatively. I would like to point out however that all of you seem to be under the misconception that Meditation uses a full CD timer when it in fact doesn't. it recasts at 1.5 seconds and this number is unaffected by recast modifiers that we as monks make use of so your guys' complaints about how you waste 5 cd timers is moot. At worst your using maybe two timers total so going by your twinsnakes figure 140 x2 will always be outdone by 320 x1 when factoring dps "downtime". it also makes it easier to transition phases if your using TK if you've been cycling meditation because if you've got two or 3 stacks when the change drops you won't have button mash like i see most people complaining about.Quote:
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07-15-2015, 05:19 AMZamiiwithout any skill speed, our gcd is 2.125sQuote:
Originally Posted by Mugetsu13
meditation is fixed at 1.5s, and you need a minimum 5 uses, so it takes 7.5 seconds to get a SINGLE use of 320 potency.
now then, even with twin snakes, we can use it at least 3 times, over a 6.375 second window, thats 420 potency.
even ignoring the rotational screw ups using meditation will cause, lets see...
320 potency in more time... or 420 potency in less time...
the choice is plainly obvious
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i should also add, that even without greased lightning stacks, your STILL able to get 3 GCDs off in a 7.5 second window