BRD/MCH Fixed!

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

I've never said that the DPS of BRD/MCH is the same as BLM. And it never will be, as long as you have support abilities that make the whole party do more DPS...
The thing is, if you want to do your best possible DPS as BRD/MCH, you have to play similar to BLM, since there already is a class that plays that way, it clearly shows that it's possible to do.

I understand people complaining about BRD/MCH not doing "enough" damage. I do NOT understand people complaining about the 3.01 changes, ESPECIALLY those calling it a nerf.

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Understood. I agree, im not ready to say "nerf" until I spend a week or so getting a feel for it. I am glad they did something, hopefully we (bars/mch) can find a way to make this change something that works for us.. :) keeping my fingers crossed.

Pretty easy to understand, we didn't want the play style change, no amount of buffs will change that it's jarring to switch between having all your abilities on cast times and then on instant, try it, it's confusing as hell and quite honestly bad game design.

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Originally Posted by Lyaha

Pretty easy to understand, we didn't want the play style change, no amount of buffs will change that it's jarring to switch between having all your abilities on cast times and then on instant, try it, it's confusing as hell and quite honestly bad game design.

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honestly being 100% mobile with 100% uptimes was bad game design. This is about fixing that. Sucks for the people who loved drawing figure-8's in the arena while doing fights, but it's not going anywhere. Deal with it or change jobs.

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Originally Posted by sirDarts

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You do realize that we barely ever use those tp/mp songs. I can understand a -15% dmg loss while in support mode. But I don't understand why we are using plastic bullets and arrows 100% of the time. The loss to mobility does not add up to the damage increase we get from GB/WM. If you actually do the math we only gained a 5% to 10% damage increase if you are lucky with procs. We lost Auto attacks which was 20% of brds and mch total damage + slapped on a cast time for each skill unless its a proc. So all in all its a 5% increase to over all damage with GB and WM on. For GB/WM to be a real gain in dps then turn auto attacks back on.

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Originally Posted by Vyshan

Or at least SQEX thinks they are.

Personally, I think it's hilarious that people are complaining about their DPS being absurdly low, and your method of remedying that, is to further lower the Potency of their attacks.

Also, we can't TOGGLE OFF Gauss Barrel now, because of the 15 second recast. Once it's on, it's on for at least 15 seconds.

SE be trollin', yo.

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Yeah youre jumping the gun here IMO. The nerfed abilities were (to my understanding) under long-ish recast timers. WM get a 10% boost, meaning every single other ability we've used up until now got a 10% boost while only a few got hit with a 10%-30% nerf. Not to mention we got some of that "precious" mobility back being able to recast WM on the fly so long as you dont do it every time you need to take a baby step. You should be able to turn off GB/WM whenever you want, youre not stuck with it for 15 seconds... you just have to wait 15 seconds before turning it back on.

Still needs more IMO but not bad for like a 2 week fix considering they wanted to gauge the performances with the new raids before making any further changes.

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi4478

knowing they wouldn't be as powerful as melee or casters but that's besides the point.

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Uh... no, if I sign up for a DPS class I expect to be as equal as possible to the rest of them. Not some closet support hybrid thats only really valuable when playing in a bad group that cant manage their TP/MP. If youd like to kindly point me to the "in-game" description of BRD I may have missed that says we will always be gimped DPS then im all ears.

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Originally Posted by TheMunimai

stop moaning and learn to move like casters and healers do - last I checked they had cast bars and weren't dead.

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They're used to playing a class/job that has them and they chose them knowing that. Bards chose bard for multiple reasons, one, insta dps, knowing they wouldn't be as powerful as melee or casters but that's besides the point.
I will, however, reserve my judgment until I have tried these "fixes" myself. I will be curious to see what ppl think that have tried it out in a serious attempt to get the dps that ppl got accustomed to prior to HW. Also as I've not yet entered Alexander I have not seen all the mechanics to see how mobile brd/mch needs to be. If the content was designed around a lesser need to dodge or dodging but with time in-between to pop wm/gb on then maybe not such a bad thing. I would love to still know what they discussed when they were thinking up the HW abilities. Just curious.
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Has anyone actually played the damn jobs yet and saw a difference?

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Originally Posted by Mhikail

Has anyone actually played the damn jobs yet and saw a difference?

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Doubt it. Just knee-jerk reactions to the seemingly overall 10%-30% nerf to our newer abilities while WM just got a 10% boost. Doesnt look good on paper but a 10% boost to every other shot we have plus an instant (hopefully off GCD) cast of WM can make a big difference. I doubt we're suddenly OP but I doubt they went through the trouble only to keep up in the shit position we were in before.

All I'm seeing is bad bards complaining that they aren't able to run everywhere like idiots with no reason at all.
Well, if WM can make you learn how to position yourself and anticipate stuff, it seems like a nice change.

Besides, if they get used to cast times, we'll hopefully see Foe Requiem and Swiftsongs more often. Who knows.


I might even start playing bard because of WM.

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Originally Posted by Kayote

Uh... no, if I sign up for a DPS class I expect to be as equal as possible to the rest of them. Not some closet support hybrid thats only really valuable when playing in a bad group that cant manage their TP/MP. If youd like to kindly point me to the "in-game" description of BRD I may have missed that says we will always be gimped DPS then im all ears.

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Guessing you skipped the job quest cutscenes? or didn't read the text when you talked to Jehantel?

"What does a bard do?
... the bard I would speak of is one born from a battle-hardened archer--one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."