Please consider changing Gauss Barrel/Wanderer's Minuet

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Originally Posted by UltimateAoe2

If you cannot learn to use it wisely, you cannot expect to get far with any class in this game.

It was proven to be a DPS loss IN WM. (I already tested this myself, compared to a 860 dummy parse with WM on, 930~960 without.)
It's a good song in my opinion.

You all either need to "l2p" or just deal with it. Honestly. It's not that hard to adapt to new situations.

Sorry, I'm just tired of all the bards that aren't 60 and are complaining on the forums. Level it to 60, then come back. It's different when you have gear.

Goddamn. (' - ' /

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Or you could not tell me what I need to do or not do. You can understand that I don't like the play style of it, and A game has limited options on play style. So if you are going to tell people l2p or deal with it you just make yourself look bad.

As long as the spell you're casting (ex. Fire spell) reaches the end of it's casting you can move and it'll still cast. (lol I gained Ley Lines on BLM and rarely use it because dungeon bosses that AoE almost everywhere on the stage makes me move)

I have nothing to say yet about MCH though as mine is level 33/34 atm.

They aren't going to take WM away... so
Better to learn to use it efficiently. I don't mind it either; I still feel like even while in WM it still plays much different than an actual caster class (for one, the gap between the cast and the GCD. You can do a lot in one second, actually) and I can't wait for the buff/whatever they are going to do.

I'm not going to tell anyone to "play another class", just how like I don't want to play any other class. Then again I chose Bard because I enjoy archery, not because of the movement. Others feel different and that's fine.

Though I do agree with most that some kind of change needs to be done. We'll see what the dev team does. Best to take it one step at a time.

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Originally Posted by Obysuca

Tbh, ricochet can do some nice damage, even single target since it'll hit it twice. Fully buffed, I've been hitting around 4.3k ricochets on bosses

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Forgot about Ricochet, don't really know how it works either since i'm not MCH myself and was just going with what was presented to me after FC members tested their damage both with and without gauss barrel over a set period.
:o thank you for the clarification though.

The way I see it no matter what they do now people will still complain.

1) they allow Bards to move while attacking with WM on
- People now complain that they still need to charge their attacks while moving.

2) They buff WM to 100% damage increase.
- People complain they have to stand still.

3) they remove charge, bring back Auto-attack, and allow WM to still perform 20% increase in skill damage.
-People complain that now Bard is too OP and outshines BLM for being Mobile while performing more damage than a BLM.

It is too late to go back now and the damage can't be undone.

People been complaining for Bard to obtain a buff in damage to rival BLM and SE answered with WM. Ya it still needs tweaking but in the end you can only blame the community for wanting Bard to become a "decent" DPS Job that would be close or rival to BLM.

Please go away with your "It's too late to fix it", they can and should fix the mess they've made.

WM could be made into an entirely new ability that isn't a song if they must, problem solved, we do extra damage and we don't have to learn an entire new class that's broken as shit.

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Originally Posted by Lyaha

Please go away with your "It's too late to fix it", they can and should fix the mess they've made.

WM could be made into an entirely new ability that isn't a song if they must, problem solved, we do extra damage and we don't have to learn an entire new class that's broken as shit.

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The mess started from the community in the first place because people wanted Bard to rival the other DPS while still being Mobile and Range.

The other DPS had higher DPS but they had a risk factor that Bard avoided due to their gameplay style.

Melee DPS risk was being in close range to enemies and bosses for their DPS.

Casters DPS risked standing still to attack in exchange for their DPS.

Bard had neither these risk factors so their balance was their lower DPS.

What people wanted was for Bard to be a DPS Job that can perform the equal amount of DPS of a Melee DPS and Caster DPS without the risk of melee range and the risk of standing still but that would cause Bard to be too OP.

People wanted Bard to become equal to the other DPS but hardly did people consider what would be sacrificed for that Increase DPS.

Wanderer's minuets might get buffed based on Yoshi's comment.

Not sure if MCH will get the same attention

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

People wanted Bard to become equal to the other DPS but hardly did people consider what would be sacrificed for that Increase DPS.

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I sure as hell wasn't asking for it, was doing fine DPS before all these idiotic changes, while casters had to stop what they were doing to move out of the way, I could put in some extra attacks on the more movement heavy bosses. Reason why I picked a bloody bard.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

Summoner eventually got fixed and is in an incredibly good spot now. Your words are encouraging if anything.

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The reasonable parts got fixed. the "Titan looks like a chicken nugget need 8 more egi and carbuncle" threads lead to nothing.

Maybe a glamour system in the future, but even if we assume forum spam led to the changes (lol) it doesn't make it less spammy and annoying.