Surecast Enhancements, Please!

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Go post that in the PVP section I'll get some popcorn (no I won't share).

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Hahaha, but like a tiny percentage of the playerbase even PvP's compared to the PvE runners.
The thing is so situational I don't even have it on the hotbars.

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Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor

Surecast
Allows you to cast the next ability un-interrupted while moving.
- 30 second cool-down

Fair ability, good for both PvP/PvE. No ability should be designed for one.

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Surecast.
Next spell is cast without interruption.
Duration: 10 seconds
Cooldown: 30 seconds
BLM onry trait: 15% chance Surecast will have no recast time.

Eh, make it a perma buff that you can turn on and off. Allows you to cast on the move. However lowers potency of spells by 35%.

The trait can cut the penalty by 10%. Making it 25%.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interrupt spells few they may be Surecast is superior.

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That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

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I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

That's... that's not a thing. You can't interrupt a Swiftcasted spell because it makes it instant; there's no cast time to interrupt. Surecast is inferior in every way because it doesn't do anything Swiftcast doesn't do better.

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Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

I said you can use swiftcast to recover from a previously interupted attack, no one where did I say you could interupt swiftcast.

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Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? You did say that.

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Originally Posted by Kuurei

Feel like Bhuni is arguing just to argue.

Honestly, OP has a point. If you can predict an interrupt to prebuff with Surecast, you could just as easily click the spell that is most likely already on your hotbar, not being useless AKA swiftcast.

To make matters worse, BOTH are also cross-classable. There's like no reason for Sure to exist outside pvp.

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Actually, it's outclassed in PvP as well- the PvP action Equanimity allows casting without interruption by attacks for 10(15 traited) seconds, without expending the skill once you cast. It has a much longer recast time, but is essentially a far more potent Surecast.

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

I did not say any situation I said where interupted attacks are concerned it's better to prebuff Surecast for whatever attack that can interupt you instead of having to regain your lost GCD by using Swiftcast.

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I did not ask you that either. I reiterate: Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? Since Swiftcast will ensure your spells aren't interrupted either, why not just use swiftcast instead? Where did you say that?

You're contradicting yourself. My apologies.

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Originally Posted by Atlaworks

I did not ask you that either. I reiterate: Then how is surecast superior to swiftcast in any situation? Since Swiftcast will ensure your spells aren't interrupted either, why not just use swiftcast instead? Where did you say that?

You're contradicting yourself. My apologies.

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Originally Posted by Bhuni

Swiftcast can be used AFTER to recover your interrupted spell from an attack. Surecast is a prebuff to allow no interupts from the enemy during your next cast whilst rooted, cancelling the cast will remove the buff. On attacks that interupt few they may be Surecast is superior.

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Surecast is superior to Swiftcast in regards to handling incoming attacks that will interupt your cast not ANY situation where say you have to move for example.