RIP Ninja

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Not very happy with the nin changes. I switched to escape having to run around like a MNK to do decent damage, cause that nonsense was hurting my hand when I was handling that for long periods of time and boss mechanics.

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That's not even to mention what happens to DPS with positional requirements when the tank spins the enemies around. God help us if HW mobs have lots of cleaves/AoEs, they'll be spinning like tops.

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

Question. Sorry if dumb.
I didn't see much of the live letter but is it the ability to lower hate on itself like quelling strikes? Or another target in the party?

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Targetted, so you can either use it on yourself or somebody else. If they did the same for Goad, I'd rejoice. They're giving MNK the ability to recover their own TP, so why not do the same for NIN?

Doesn't matter if you're a monk, a dragoon or a ninja, positional skills are an absolute nightmare to work with when you're dodging attacks like birds in a fireworks display.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Targetted, so you can either use it on yourself or somebody else. If they did the same for Goad, I'd rejoice. They're giving MNK the ability to recover their own TP, so why not do the same for NIN?

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They could at least bother to include party tp bars so we don't have to guess for our Goad, was that included in the gameplay?

NIN are getting new weaponskills and with them, the ability to keep up Fuuton with recasting it.
That's a huge buff, especially for those with Mudra lag, since it's really the 3-Mudra casts where you feel it.
NIN is a relatively new class, so it's not going to get as much changes.
And it's not like it needs much mechanical buffs, since we're the strongest melee on live.

The latency weakness of Mudra is now reduced.
My only complaint left is that Shukuchi feels slow.

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

Question. Sorry if dumb.
I didn't see much of the live letter but is it the ability to lower hate on itself like quelling strikes? Or another target in the party?

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You can use it on yourself and on others.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

They could at least bother to include party tp bars so we don't have to guess for our Goad, was that included in the gameplay?

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Sadly no TP bars visible for partymembers still, they mentioned that at some other point a while ago. I completely agree that Goad is a bit of a smack in the face, considering it's ONLY for party members, while you can see ONLY your own TP bar. Useful skill to be sure, but yeah. Let us use it on ourselves and/or let us see party members' TP bars. It's just not implemented well, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Targetted, so you can either use it on yourself or somebody else. If they did the same for Goad, I'd rejoice. They're giving MNK the ability to recover their own TP, so why not do the same for NIN?

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I agree Goad should be able to be used on yourself.
As for the skill I guess it helps with overhealing and such.
Hopefully we won't have any trolls using it on Tanks so enemies don't come sit on the DPS or Healer's faces. xD

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

Hopefully we won't have any trolls using it on Tanks so enemies don't come sit on the DPS or Healer's faces. xD

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Come on, with this community?

You know better than that.

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

I agree Goad should be able to be used on yourself.
As for the skill I guess it helps with overhealing and such.
Hopefully we won't have any trolls using it on Tanks so enemies don't come sit on the DPS or Healer's face. xD

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In the vast majority of cases, tanks shouldn't have any enmity problems whatsoever. And in the rare cases when they do, the target usually dies in one or maximum two hits anyway (if it's raid content - if it isn't, the healer having aggro for a few seconds until the tank uses Flash or Overpower hardly matters), so in most of those cases, it'll already be too late for the NIN to target said teammate, cast the skill, and wait for the game's often rather sluggish enmity system to actually react to the change.
It'll be okay for self use, at least. Still heavily underwhelming when compared to what MNK and DRG get in Heavensward. Clearly we don't know all the skills we'll be getting, but just from today's presentation, MNK and DRG sounded amazing, while NIN sounded very, very "meh".

But yes, the trolling potential with this might be immense. You'll have to excuse me if I'll occasionally do that, myself - it'd be just too hilarious to resist.

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

I agree Goad should be able to be used on yourself.
As for the skill I guess it helps with overhealing and such.
Hopefully we won't have any trolls using it on Tanks so enemies don't come sit on the DPS or Healer's faces. xD

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As long as the new ability has a longer cooldown than Provoke and there is only one troll Ninja in the party, targeting the tank with that ability should not be too devastating.