Relationship between Bahamut and Midgardsomr?

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Originally Posted by Fenral

Right?

With enough "belief" (not to be confused with "believers") and a sufficient quantity of aether, anyone can summon a Primal. Even Gilgamesh.


All this is just from what we know of Primal summonings, but supposedly the rules are going to change big time come Heavensward. Won't that be fun.

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So the Dravanians summon the seven Celestial Dragons (Both dead and alive) to strike out against Ishgaurd. Ishgusrd's church prays REALLY hard for salvation and their "Legendary Knights of Old" come forth to save them. Cue Knights of The Round primal battle.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So the Dravanians summon the seven Celestial Dragons (Both dead and alive) to strike out against Ishgaurd. Ishgusrd's church prays REALLY hard for salvation and their "Legendary Knights of Old" come forth to save them. Cue Knights of The Round primal battle.

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Oh. Oh my. That'd be amazing.

Side note, I'd love to see Bahamut Zero from FF7 as well.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So the Dravanians summon the seven Celestial Dragons (Both dead and alive) to strike out against Ishgaurd. Ishgusrd's church prays REALLY hard for salvation and their "Legendary Knights of Old" come forth to save them. Cue Knights of The Round primal battle.

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Make this happen! Or make half of it the new Smn LB3... I think I'd have to start playing Smn for that alone XD.

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Originally Posted by Durthane

Make this happen! Or make half of it the new Smn LB3... I think I'd have to start playing Smn for that alone XD.

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Nah, I'm hoping SMN Limit Break either briefly augs up the Egi into the full Primal or makes them use the Primal's signature move in its full splendor.

Hey, why not both?

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Nah, I'm hoping SMN Limit Break either briefly augs up the Egi into the full Primal or makes them use the Primal's signature move in its full splendor.

Hey, why not both?

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Thats the more likely outcome. But what if... No I suppose a KOTR egi might get a bit to complicated. /sigh

Give me a moment while I gather the shards of my dashed hopes.

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

Frankly, I've been expecting this one since at least 2.2 when we got the explanation of Final Fantasy metaphysics and the Lifestream. To wit:

"So we're eventually going to take out Bahamut for good this patch cycle. We can be sure of that. This will return him to the Lifestream.

Where he can be summoned again.

Isn't this a bad idea, on some level?"

Now who'd summon him, that's another question...

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I haven't actually completed t9, much less FCoB because of that...but if I'm correct not returning him to the lifestream would end up with more immediate consequences then if we did so now. Atleast this way we know we can beat him if/when he comes back.

I think Bahamut Prime is the original Bahamut, his true self. Like with Phoenix, Loisioux is its true self, Phoenix is the avatar, as the city sized Bahamutt is the avatar of Bahamut prime.

Kinda on topic, but if Midgardsomr is the father of the celestial dragons, whos the mother? Hydaelyn?

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

if Midgardsomr is the father of the celestial dragons, whos the mother? Hydaelyn?

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There may not be a technical mother. I'm thinking these were those "torn from flesh" births, possibly similar to how he fashioned himself a new vessel. They are Celestial Dragons, after all. That, or Hydaelyn gave Midgardsormr some fancy rocks to fertilize...

Imagining him rearing dragonettes is pretty funny, now that I think of it. Oh, and here's another fun thought: all modern dragons are inbred!

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Originally Posted by StarDrake

Frankly, I've been expecting this one since at least 2.2 when we got the explanation of Final Fantasy metaphysics and the Lifestream. To wit:

"So we're eventually going to take out Bahamut for good this patch cycle. We can be sure of that. This will return him to the Lifestream.

Where he can be summoned again.

Isn't this a bad idea, on some level?"

Now who'd summon him, that's another question...

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Remember that the strength of the primal upon summoning depends a lot on how much is invested in the summoning process. A few crystals, and you get level 20 Story Mode Ifrit. A crapton of crystals, and you get moderately dangerous Hard Mode Ifrit. A crapton of crystals and an elaborite Amal'jaa sacrifice, and you wind up with badass Extreme Mode Ifrit.

The Bahamut Primal we know is ridiculously powerful - but he was summoned through the effort of thousands of dragons. If Bahamut was returned to the aether, and resummoned, his newly summoned form would likely be FAR less powerful unless he was again summoned by thousands of dragons.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Nah, I'm hoping SMN Limit Break either briefly augs up the Egi into the full Primal or makes them use the Primal's signature move in its full splendor.

Hey, why not both?

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We don't want a SMN LB that depends on the SMN having an Egi out. Most of the time they do, but do you really want to restrict when and where a SMN can LB, when no other class has such a restriction?

Personally, I'm hoping that SMN LB will call upon a random Primal, have that Primal briefly appear, use its super ability, and then vanish. This approach has several advantages:
- It has a lot of variety. Rather than the same thing every time, you never know what Primal you're going to get.
- It reuses resources. The devs won't have to create any new animations or graphics - they're all there already.
- It hearkens back to the "classic" SMNs of old. The appear-attack-vanish summons are what Summoner used to be all about.

They'd need to abbreviate some of the Primals' attacks, of course. Shiva, for instance, wouldn't be able to her little flyaround, freeze the enemies, and so on. She'd just appear, do a quick freeze, and then leave. Leviathan wouldn't swim as long either.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

The Bahamut Primal we know is ridiculously powerful - but he was summoned through the effort of thousands of dragons. If Bahamut was returned to the aether, and resummoned, his newly summoned form would likely be FAR less powerful unless he was again summoned by thousands of dragons.

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<Looks at the Dravanian Hoard> Yea we're gonna need a bigger Dragon Killer. <Starts preparing for round two with the Dreadwyrm King>